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mgnv

mgnv Report 3 Apr 2016 12:48

That would be my guess

Christine

Christine Report 1 Apr 2016 21:06

wow thanks for that mgnv

on the marriage of William and Ann which mgnv has posted it says Williams fathers surname as Saddleton ..would this mean William either had mothers surname or it was his step father ?

thanks all so much for your help

Christine x

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 04:18

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: Edward Barnes
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Sunderland
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 771
Records on Page:
Name
Edward Barnes
Annie Bowman <<<<<<<<<
James Duffy
Margaret Slater

mgnv

mgnv Report 1 Apr 2016 00:57

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/england
MASSINGHAM, GREAT (All Saints), a parish, in the union and hundred of Freebridge-Lynn, W. division of Norfolk, 2½ miles (N. W.) from Rougham

There are no hits rego'ed in Freebridge-Lynn at FreeBMD, so his birth wasn't rego'ed.

Using http://www.freereg.org.uk/
County Norfolk
Place Great Massingham
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 98
Baptism date 29 Oct 1843
Person forename Edward
Person sex M
Father forename William
Father surname BARNES
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Ann

This image isn't indexed yet at (sim marr isn't either):
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1416598?collectionNameFilter=false
so you have to "Browse through 293,156 images", but it's easy with the FreeREG info.

1851
William Barnes Head M 36 Massingham, Norfolk
Ann Barnes Wife F 33 Ashill, Norfolk
Edward Barnes Son M 7 Massingham, Norfolk
William Barnes Son M 5 Massingham, Norfolk
Matthew Barnes Son M 3 Massingham, Norfolk
Hannah Barnes Daughter F 6 MOS Massingham, Norfolk



Marriages Dec 1841 (>99%)
BARNES William Freebridge Lynn 13 381 Scan available - click to view
CODLING Ann Freebridge Lynn 13 381

County Norfolk
Place Great Massingham
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 23
Marriage date 30 Nov 1841
Groom forename William
Groom surname BARNES
Groom age 21
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Ann
Bride surname CODLING
Bride age 21
Bride condition Spinster
Bride occupation Servant
Groom father forename William
Groom father surname SADDLETON
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename Matthew
Bride father surname CODLING
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness1 forename George
Witness1 surname CODLING
Witness2 forename Elzaibeth
Witness2 surname BARNES
Notes He Signs X. She Signs X.

[NB "Register entry number 23" makes the search easy]

Christine

Christine Report 31 Mar 2016 16:34

thanks so much for that :-)

Christine x

greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Mar 2016 16:33

The 1881 census says that Lois Mary Maltby is born on Goatam, Notts

Births Sep 1840 (>99%)
Maltby Lois Mary Basford 15 460

This registration would cover Gotham - pronounced as spelt in the census not as in Gotham (Goth - am) City in the Batman stories.

Here in 1841 with Father John as per marriage record posted by safc

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gotham, Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Maltby Male 35 1806 Nottinghamshire, England <<<<Tailor
Mary Maltby Female 35 1806 Nottinghamshire, England
Elizabeth Maltby Female 10 1831 Nottinghamshire, England
Silas Maltby Male 10 1831 Nottinghamshire, England
Ann Maltby Female 5 1836 Nottinghamshire, England
Lois Maltby Female 0 1841 Nottinghamshire, England
Ann Cross Female 40 1801 Nottinghamshire, England
Samuel Cross Male 15 1826 Nottinghamshire, England
Charles Cross Male 5 1836 Nottinghamshire, England

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 31 Mar 2016 16:30

That sounds like a reasonable assumption.

Kath. x

Christine

Christine Report 31 Mar 2016 16:20

just found a poss death for Edward in sunderland 1902 ..

so therefore that maybe the reason the 2 younger children Florence and mary were put up for adoption ??

Christine x

Christine

Christine Report 31 Mar 2016 15:45

so it does look like he was married before to lois/louise mary who died 1881..then he married annie in 1882 ..am I on the same path ..lol.

Christine x

Maddie

Maddie Report 31 Mar 2016 15:37

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Name: Annie Lola Barnes
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Sunderland
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 582
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Name: Annie Lois Barnes
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: Sunderland
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 355

Maddie

Maddie Report 31 Mar 2016 15:34

?????
Name: Lois Barnes
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Stockton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 52

safc

safc Report 31 Mar 2016 15:33


England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) Edward
Last name Barnes
Name note -
Marriage year 1866
Marriage date 20 May 1866
Marriage place South Shields
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Barnes
Spouse's first name(s) Lois Mary
Spouse's last name Maltby
Spouse's age 0
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Maltby
Residence South Shields, Durham, England
County Durham
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Christine

Christine Report 31 Mar 2016 15:32

I have annie L born who was born 1884 middle name as lois which could have been after Edwards first wife ..

Christine x

Maddie

Maddie Report 31 Mar 2016 15:30

Name: Edward Barnes
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 20 May 1866
Marriage Place: St. Hilda, South Shields, Durham, England
Father: William Barnes
Spouse: Lois Mary Maltby
FHL Film Number: 1894151
Reference ID: 265

Christine

Christine Report 31 Mar 2016 15:26

poss could be them ...

Christine x

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 31 Mar 2016 15:23

Same family in 1871

Edward Barnes
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lois M Barnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Massingham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Ryhope
Ecclesiastical parish: Ryhope St Paul
Town: Ryhope
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 88
Piece: 5011
Folio: 38
Page Number: 14

Edward Barnes 28
Lois M Barnes 28
Hannah A Barnes 2
Elizabeth Barnes 3 Months
Matthew Barnes 18

Maddie

Maddie Report 31 Mar 2016 15:22

1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Green Ter West, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ed Barnes Head Married Male 36 1845 General Labourer Great Massingham, Norfolk, England
Transcription
Louise Mary Barnes Wife Married Female 40 1841 General Labourer Wife Nottinghamshire, England
Transcription
Hannah Angnes Barnes Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar -
Transcription
Eliz Barnes Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar -
Transcription
Ed Barnes Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Geo Robt Barnes Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Thos Barnes Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Census details
First name(s) Thos
Last name Barnes
Relationship Son
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 4
Birth year 1877
Occupation Scholar
Birth town Sunderland
Birth town as transcribed SUNDERLAND
Birth county Durham
Birth county as transcribed DURHAM
Birth place England
House number 14
Street Green Ter West
Town -
Parish Bishop Wearmouth
County Durham
Country England
Registration district Sunderland
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 4993
Folio 99
Page 1
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 31 Mar 2016 15:20

Coming to the same conclusion Kath. There aren't that many Edward Barnes born Great Massingham who lived in Durham

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 31 Mar 2016 15:17

I wonder if Edward had been married before? This looks like a possibility for Edward in the 1881 census but the wife doesn't look right:-

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Green Ter West, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Ed Barnes Head Married Male 36 1845 General Labourer Great Massingham, Norfolk,
Louise Mary Barnes Wife Married Female 40 1841 General Labourer Wife Nottinghamshire, England
Hannah Angnes Barnes Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar -
Eliz Barnes Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar -
Ed Barnes Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Geo Robt Barnes Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Thos Barnes Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription

Kath. x

Andrew

Andrew Report 31 Mar 2016 15:17

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
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BARNES Edward Sunderland 10a 771
Bowman Annie Sunderland 10a 771


Andy