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Thank you so much to everyone who has taken the time to reply, I do appreciate it. I am following up a couple of the leads at the moment.
I always thought Thomas had died prior to 1931, as on my Granddads marriage cert it says he was deceased, however the 1939 records appears to indicate he was still alive. I can not remember the story fully, but I believe my granddad was abandoned after his mother left/ died , so he could have classed him as dead or genuinely thought he was. Once again thank you all.

Just out of interest - re his address in 1939 - Seems to have been a sort of hostel for single 'sober' men :

The Times reported on the opening of Bevington House:
"Yesterday afternoon the Earl of Derby opened at Liverpool a people's home something after the style of the Rowton house in London. It is calculated that about 14,000 persons seek single lodgings in Liverpool every night, while a great many of the lodgings which private adventure supplies are hardly worthy the name. The new building, "Bevington-house," is situate in Bevington-bush, and near the west side of St. Martin's Market, Scotland-road.
Its accommodation is for single men, and comprises 500 cubicles, or sleeping apartments. There are two large kitchens, with a number of cooking stoves, and the lodgers may bring in their own victuals and cook them or may purchase them at cost price. Close by is a large dining-room, as well as reading and recreation rooms. In the basement are large apartments, which, like the staircase, are lined with vari-coloured glazed bricks. Here are the resources for washing and the repairing of clothes, which may be done by the men themselves or by tailors and shoemakers. Each sleeping apartment is 7ft. 6in. by 5ft., and in each is an iron bedstead, with copper wire mattress, a hair mattress, two hair bolsters, two sheets, pillow, under blanket, three over blankets, and a counterpane. There is a chair by the bedside, and a small window to light the room. There is an outdoor promenade, with pot plants and seats. The nightly charge for a cubicle, with the use of the other resources of the home, is 6d.
The whole cost of the building is stated at £25,000. At the rear is about 800 yards of land which may be utilized for extension. The home was built by a company, the directors of which are Lord Mayor Cohen, Colonel G. H. Morrison, Mr. Archibald Williamson, Mr. George Banner, Mr. John Henderson, and Mr. A. A. Paton, all prominent local men interested in the problem of housing the poor and providing lodgings for the unmarried work-people and doing what they can to make this experiment a success."

Dea x

and Mary

Deaths Sep 1899 (>99%)
HOCK Mary 65 Liverpool 8b 84

again buried Ford cemetery - abode workhouse

as John Hock does not seem to know his age
1861 - 29
1871 - 40
1881 - 43
1891 - 63

this is possibly his death

Deaths Sep 1893 (>99%)
Hock John 60 Liverpool 8b 104

burial in Ford Cemetery 20th August 1893 (abode = workhouse)

A tree on ancestry has his surname as Hoy on birth certificate - the same as Bridget's maiden name on John James birth certificate

"Father's name: Ulictam Joannis Hock"

I think I had it right 1st time as relictam.

I had a go a googling translations. there was no such word as ulictam but relictam literally translated as 'leaving'.

Would that be a way of saying father John was deceased?

1881 - Bridget with her parents. Her brother Martin was one of the witnesses at her marriage to Thomas

Bridget Hack
[Bridget Hock]
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Hack
Mother: Mary Hack
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 30 Back Portland Street
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
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Piece: 3597
Folio: 142
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hack 43
Mary Hack 43
Bridget Hack 12
James Hack 10
Martin Hack 7
Michael Collins 53
Jane Tobin


Bridget isn't with her parents and brothers in 1891

From the marriage, it doesn't look like Bridget is a widow when she marries?


Brigidam Hock
Marriage Date: 14 Nov 1896
Parish: Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette, Lancashire, England
Spouse's Name: Thomam Connor
Father's name: Ulictam Joannis Hock
Spouse Father's Name: Ulictam Jacobi Connor

John Hock married Ellen Quin (cf cheshirebmd)

there is a Catholic burials of a Thomas Connor b1875 in Liverpool, at Ford cemetery in 1932 abode 55 Aspinall St

the 1911 Bridget one - Bridget seems to have been in the workhouse on that burial

found this marriage for john hock he could have married bridget mcgrail



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)
Edwards Henry Stockport 8a 110
Hock John Stockport 8a 110
McGrail Bridget Stockport 8a 110
Quin Ellen Stockport 8

according to his baptism on 9 December 1894 (born 3 December 1894) John James parents were Thomas & Bridget (born Hock) even though Thomas & Bridget did not marry until 14 November 1896. If I am reading the register right it says widow of John Hock.

Perhaps someone else could check my reading of the latin.

EDIT
the filiam has been crossed out and it looks like relictam inserted

I wonder if Bridget did not marry until then because she was under age and no permission given.

????

Name: Bridget Connor
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1911
Registration District: Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Event Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Age (available after 1866): 36
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1875
Volume: 8B
Page: 155
Line Number: 29



Citing this Record:
"England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2NRR-GS4 : accessed 30 March 2016), Bridget Connor, 1911; from "England & Wales Deaths, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Death, Liverpool, Lancashire, England, General Register Office, Southport, England.

original says connor
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1939 Register Transcription

Household (1 Person) Bevington House Hotel Bevington Bush , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) Role DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Thomas Cannor Inmate 01 Jul 1875 Male Dock Labourer (Heavy Worker ) Widowed 1 28

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patient in hospital
Bridget
Last name Connor
Relationship -
Marital status Married
Sex Female
Occupation -
Age 36
Birth year 1875
Birth place Lancs Liverpool
Marriage year 1905
Years married 6
Address 144a Brownlow Hill And 131 Mount Pleasant
Parish Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Liverpool
Registration district number 453
Enumeration district 36
District number -
Sub district Abercromby
Sub district number 3
Census reference RG14PN22210 RD453 SD3 ED36 SN9999
Piece number 22210
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

This could be a possible death:-

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name CONNOR
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1875
Age 56
Death quarter 2
Death year 1931
District WEST DERBY
County Lancashire
Volume 8B
Page 497
Country England

Kath. x

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
50, Reading Street, Kirkdale, West Derby, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Connor Head Married Male 25 1876 Dock Labourer Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Bridget Connor Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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James Connor Son - Male 6 1895 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Rose Greenhill Sister Married Female 23 1878 Hawker (Chips) Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Mary Greenhill Niece - Female 1 1900 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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This looks like your great-grandparent's marriage:-

First name(s) BRIDGET
Last name HOCK
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1896
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ BRIDGET HOCK married one of these people
THOMAS CONNOR, LEWIS GEORGE SPENCER
District LIVERPOOL
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 316

Kath. x

Hi I wonder if anyone can help. I have been trying to trace my Great-grandfather after 1901 in Liverpool. He was born in Birkenhead in the Dock Cottages 1975, He married Bridget Hoy, Hock or Hough in about 1896. My Grandfather was John James Connor born 1894. I have the living at 52b Reading st in Kirkdale in 1901, but can find no trace after that. I can not find them in the 1911 census, death certificates, or burials. Has anyone any suggestions I could follow. Thank you in anticipation Pat.