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Thanks for looking, safc.
I had wondered if Augustus and Edward were the same person, but had dismissed it.
However, as you think the same, I'll believe it again.
I wonder why they decided to call themselves by Annie's maiden name - and then reverted back to Hand - just one of those tantalising and unsolvable mysteries!
Augustus changed occupation from coffee house keeper in 1891 & 1901, to carpenter in 1911. In 1879 he was a GPO trainee, and in 1881 he was a clerk at a sawmill - so the GPO training didn't last long..
A tree on Ancestry says Annie died in 1932.
Two census records say she was born 5 years later than she actually was, and her supposed age at death is still a couple of years out.
Deaths Mar 1932 (>99%)
Hand Annie 75 Hammersmith 1a 341
Mind you, there are several trees which have clearly copied from one another, saying that she and Augustus married in North Carolina, and that Ethel was born in Edmonton, Kentucky, although all the other details are correct!
Thanks again, safc.
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Births Dec 1855 (>99%)
Gardiner Annie Plymouth 5b 192
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Salem Street, Charles, Plymouth, Devon, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Gardener Head Married Male 45 1816 Labourer -
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Elisabeth Gardener Wife Married Female 26 1835 - Plymouth, Devon, England
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William Gardener Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Plymouth, Devon, England
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Annie Gardener Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Plymouth, Devon, England
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Lilley H Gardener Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Plymouth, Devon, England
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Robert H Gardener Son - Male 0 1861 - Plymouth, Devon, England
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Green, Edmonton, Middlesex, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Gardiner Head Married Male 38 1863 Cocoa Room Keeper Hampshire, England
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Annie Gardiner Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Plymouth, Devon, England
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Robert E Gardiner Son Single Male 14 1887 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
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Arthur G Gardiner Son Single Male 12 1889 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
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Ethel L Gardiner Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England
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Ada Gardiner Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Edmonton, Middlesex, England
i think they are the same people
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England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) Augustus Edward
Last name Hand
Name note -
Age 24
Marriage year 1886
Marriage date 25 Apr 1886
Marriage place Hammersmith
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Hand
Spouse's first name(s) Annie
Spouse's last name Gardiner
Spouse's birth year 1857
Spouse's birth date 1857
Spouse's father's first name(s) Robert
Spouse's father's last name Gardiner
Residence Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
County Durham
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Farringdon Street, St Sepulchre, London City, London, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Augustus E Hard Head Married Male 28 1863 Manager Coffee Tavern Litchfield, Hampshire, England
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Annie Hard Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Plymouth, Hampshire, England
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Robert E Hard Son Single Male 4 1887 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
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Arthur G Hard Son Single Male 2 1889 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
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Ethel L Hard Daughter Single Female 3 1888 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England
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Eliza Gardiner Niece Single Female 1 1890 - Plymouth, Hampshire, England
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Samuel Sewell Servant Single Male 28 1863 Cook Byfield, Northamptonshire, England
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Lizzie Price Servant Single Female 15 1876 Nurse Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
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This couple are no relation to me, and I know nothing about them other than what I'll post here.
I got side-tracked by them while researching a totally different Edward Gardiner on someone else's thread, and am intrigued.
I first came across Annie and Edward in the 1901 census, and detected from there, but I'll post the relevant records in chronological order (more or less).
Annie was born in Plymouth 1859, and her maiden name may have been Gardiner - but if so, I can't find her birth record.
Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)
GARDINER Annie Fulham 1a 461
Hand Augustus Edward Fulham 1a 461
Annie Hard (actually Hand)
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Annie Hard
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Augustus E Hard
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: St Sepulchre Newgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Sepulchre Newgate
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: London City
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 237
Folio: 18
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Augustus E Hard 28
Annie Hard 32
Robert E Hand 4 - Hammersmith
Arthur J Hand 2 - Hammersmith (actually Arthur G)
Ethel L Hand 3 - Tottenham
Eliza Gardiner 1 - niece, Plymouth
Samuel Sewell 28 - servant, cook
Lizzie Price 15 - servant, nurse
I can't see Augustus in 1901.
In 1911, Augustus and most of the children are together; Augustus says he's married; no sign of Annie:
Augustus Edward Hand
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Augustus Edward Hand
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Titchfield, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 33 Boscombe Rd, Shepherds Bush
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: CARPENTER
Registration district: Fulham
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 201
Household Members:
Name Age
Augustus Edward Hand 48
Arthur George Hand 22
Ethel Lily Hand 21
Ada Gardiner Hand 11
And to round off Augustus's story, here's his death:
Deaths Sep 1921 (>99%)
Hand Augustus E 58 Fulham 1a 248
HOWEVER -
In 1901, Annie is with Edward Gardiner, with all the Hand children, now called Gardiner - and Ada, whose surname probably actually is Gardiner:
Annie Gardiner
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Annie Gardiner
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Edward Gardiner
Birth Place: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1263
Folio: 129
Page Number: 25
Household schedule number: 158
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Gardiner 38 - coffee house keeper, Fareham, Hants.
Annie Gardiner 42
Robert E Gardiner 14
Arthur G Gardiner 12
Ethel L Gardiner 11
Ada Gardiner 1
So - just out of curiosity, and if you're looking for a puzzle to solve:
Annie's birth? and/or maiden surname?
Edward Gardiner's birth ? - supposedly Fareham.
Augustus's whereabouts in 1901?
Annie & Edward's marriage, if any (I suspect none)?
Whereabouts of Annie and/or Edward in 1911?
Any thoughts gratefully received.
I'll look back later.
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