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I am searching for any trace of my Grandmothers siblings.
Agnes bn 1889 Islington.
Ellen bn 1890 ''
John bn 1894 ''
Walter bn 1897
Susan Magdelena bn 1900 Hackney d. 1904
Parents James and Agnes White.
I have baptisms and census up until 1911,
Belived parents died 1919/20 and family lost contact. I anyone knows anything about these people I would be very grateful.
Lesley

looks like agnes 1889 her marriage

she married ernest hill going by the births



Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
Dashwood George Burrage Islington 1b 380 Scan available - click to view
HAMMOND May Garnham Islington 1b 380 Scan available - click to view
Hill Ernest Alfred Islington 1b 380 Scan available - click to view
White Agnes Islington 1b 380

SUSAN MAGDALENE
Last name WHITE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1901
Age 3
Death quarter 1
Death year 1904
District HACKNEY
County London
Volume 1B
Page 288
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

??????
Marguerite (Daisy) White
Marguerite (Daisy) White

1905–1981

Birth 1905 • Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England

Death 1981 • Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, England

Marriage
15 Jul 1927 • Kingston, Surrey, England
John Thurston Probyn
JOHN T
Last name PROBYN
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1927
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOHN T PROBYN married
MARGUERITE WHITE
Spouse's last name WHITE
District KINGSTON
District number -
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 1244
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Do you have their exact dates of birth? It would be easier to find them in 1939 records.

The 1906 marriage for Agnes isn't her:-

Name: Agnes White
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 26
Spouse: Ernest Alfred Hill
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Dec 1906
Parish: St Thomas, Finsbury Park
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William White
Spouse Father: Edward Hill
Register Type: Parish Register

..........her father was William and not James.

Just for info:-

Name: Agnes Ellen White
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James White
Birth Place: Scotland
Civil Parish: Stoke Newington
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 206
Folio: 127
Page Number: 23
Household schedule number: 157
Household Members:
Name Age
James White 39
Agnes Ellen White 40
Agnes White 11
John White 6
Walter White 3
Susan M White 1

..................shows mother had middle name Ellen and born Scotland

1911 also shows another daughter:-

Name: Daisy White
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: STOKE NEWINGTON, London, England

..............so this looks to be the daughter from the marriage posted earlier.


Several reasons why a whole family may have vanished, including them having emigrated. Any chance that they may have gone abroad?

A tree on ancestry gives this for the family

ame Agnes H White
Birth Date abt 1859
Date of Registration Mar 1938
Age at Death 79
Registration district Willesden
Inferred County Middlesex
Volume 3a
Page 473

London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925
Name Walter Leonard White
Birth Date 17 Jul 1898
Birth Place 69 Ockendon Rd Islington
Residence County Middlesex
Admission Date 5 May 1914
Master's Name George Edward Briscoe Eyre
Father's Name James White


Name Walter Leonard White
Birth Date 17 Jul 1898
Date of Registration Mar 1982
Age at Death 83
Registration district Elstree
Inferred County Hertfordshire
Volume 10
Page 0291

No further information on the other members of the family.

Given date of birth, this looks to be Walter in 1939

White Household (1 Person)
95 Nelson Road , Hornsey M.B., Middlesex, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Walter L White 17 Jul 1898 Male Carpenter & Painter Married 255 1

............states he is married but no wife showing.


Possible marriages:-

Name: Walter L White
Spouse Surname: Dedman
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1925
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 624
Find Spouse: Emily M Dedman


Name: Walter L White
Spouse Surname: Browning
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1931
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 755
Find Spouse: Winifred E Browning

also this one also in Middlesex:-

Name: Walter L White
Spouse Surname: Redish
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1167
Find Spouse: Ella K Redish


..............but he could of course have married anywhere.


EDIT:-

This would fit with the last marriage entry:-

Birth of a child to this couple:-

Births Jun 1930 (>99%)
White Desmond L Redish Barnet 3a 841

Death of wife:-

Deaths Mar 1934 (>99%)
WHITE Ella K 31 Barnet 3a 735

Child in 1939 (looks to be with his grandparents:-

Redish Household (3 People)
11 Prince George Road , Southgate M.B., Middlesex, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Desmond L White 14 May 1930 Male At School Single 150 3
Herbert E Redish 31 Dec 1865 Male Retired School Teacher Married 150 1
Elizabeth M Redish 24 Feb 1865 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 150 2

..........................but to know if this is relevant to your Walter you would have to buy the marriage certificate to see who is noted as father Walter, his age and occupation.

Hi Catherine, Thanks for all your hard work. Margurite (Daisy) is my Grandmother so I didn't include her as I know all about her.
DOB for the others, I only have..
Agnes 13.5.1889.
Ellen 5.11.1890
John 13.7.1894
Daisy 13.8.1904
Nothing for Walter I'm afraid. I had found the Elstree, Herts death but without buying the cert couldn't be sure, it looks as thought you are correct and that now gives his probable DOB. Thanks so much, how do I find this 1939 index? Lesley

1939 records are on findmypast.co.uk

If you didn't know about the 1939 records, then you may not have Daisy in 1939

Probyn Household (6 People)
Ivy Cottage Manygate Lane , Sunbury-on-Thames U.D., Middlesex, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Marguerite Probyn (White,Probyn) 13 Aug 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 10 2
John T Probyn 26 Nov 1899 Male House Decorator Married 10 1
Alan J Probyn 19 Nov 1928 Male At School Single 10 3
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Bryan J Probyn 18 Jan 1936 Male Under School Age Single 10 5
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.


(records that are officially closed are for those people who may be living. To view the whole record you have to pay)


As it is possible to search these records using date of birth it may be possible to find the other members of the family, or at least possible records.

Any idea if any of the other children had middle names?

unlikley it's your John but you never know ????

Name: John White
Age: 47
Birth Date: abt 1894
Death Date: 19 Aug 1941
Cemetery: The Tower Hill Memorial Part Xvi Wan-Zul
Burial Country: England
Region or Memorial: Memorial Register

occupation:- Fireman
Wife:- Ada Gladys
of Litherland, Liverpool
Son:- Frederick James (perished with his father)

...............would need to look into this one.


EDIT:-

....................maybe:-

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)

Stokes Ada G H White St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1416
White John E Stokes St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1416

The district St.Geo.H.Sq. is an alternative name for St George Hanover Square and it spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Middlesex

SHAME your can rule this one out. Here they are in 1939

White Household (3 People)
18 Garrick Street , Litherland U.D., Lancashire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Ada G White 08 Aug 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 76 2
John White 20 Mar 1895 Male Leather Packer (Tannery) Married 76 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Date of birth of John doesn't fit.

Hi, Catching up.. Walter Leonard is not mine, if you look at the 1911census you will see Walter L with family James and Susan and Walter with family James and Agnes, that's my Walter so none of the info re Walter Leonard is applicable.
None of the family went abroad as far as I know.
None of the children bar Susan Magdelen, who died age3yrs had second names.
Thanks for your continuing interest. Lesley