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Name: John Norman
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 Oct 1842
Birth Place: Sydenham, Kent, England
Father: John Norman
Mother: Elizabeth Norman
FHL Film Number: 288421
Reference ID: p. 80, No. 638


Georges neither:-

Name: George Norman
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 23 Mar 1845
Birth Place: Sydenham, Kent, England
Father: John Norman
Mother: Elizabeth Norman
FHL Film Number: 288421
Reference ID: p. 3, No. 21


Eliza
Name: Eliza Norman
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 18 Mar 1838
Birth Place: Sydenham, Kent, England
Father: John Norman
Mother: Elizabeth Norman
FHL Film Number: 288421
Reference ID: p. 41, No. 328

Birth cert. of one of the children would give you her maiden name.

Hi.
You can't get BMD certs before 1837, so no decision to make!
Have you tried Familysearch?
Jan

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Daisy Cottage, Wells Road, Lewisham, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Norman Head Widow Female 61 1800 Laundress Harlow, Essex, England
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Isabella Norman Daughter Unmarried Female 35 1826 Laundress Sydenham, Kent, England
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Eliza Norman Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 Laundress Sydenham, Kent, England
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John Norman Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Gardener Sydenham, Kent, England
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George Norman Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Gardener Sydenham, Kent, England
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Williams Tims - - Male 12 1849 Errand Boy Berkshire, England
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Arthur Norman Grandson - Male 13 1848 - -

Same family in 1851

Name: John Newman
[John Norman]
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Newman
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
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County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Piece: 1591
Folio: 511
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Newman 58
Elizabeth Newman 51
Isabella Newman 25
Eliza Newman 13
Henry Newman 10
John Newman 8
George Newman 6

Just for ref. is this the family in 1861?

Name: Elizabeth Norman
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: 1800
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Harlow, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: Sydenham St Bartholomew
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Laundress

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 416
Folio: 61
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Norman 61
Isabella Norman 35
Eliza Norman 22
John Norman 19
George Norman 16
Williams Sims 12
Arthur Norman 13

My maternal ggg grandmother Elizabeth was born in Harlow, Essex, England in 1800. She died in Lewisham, Kent (now SE London) in 1885. Her occupation was laundress.

She married John NORMAN (born about 1793 in Cambridgeshire, England) about 1820 and lived from her marriage until her death in Sydenham, Kent.

Elizabeth and John had 11 children and possess their Census sightings for 1841 to 1881. She was a widow by the 1861 Census.

I'm looking to establish Elizabeth's maiden name and would appreciate advice on how to do this without resorting to purchasing a marriage certificate. This will then serve to search for her mother and so further my maternal line.

I have been unsuccessful in obtaining a response from potential descendants of John NORMAN on GenesReunited.

Gordon