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Thank you Gins :-)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1357988

There was a previous thread about this family. I can't get into "My threads" to give a link to it. It's not showing on a Google search so perhaps it has been deleted?

This is the 1881 that malyon found, but from ancestry ...........

1881 Census

Name: William Wheeler
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: "Arethusa"

Occupation: Boy Under Training
Registration district: Dartford
ED, institution, or vessel: Arethusa (4)
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 868
Folio: 129
Page Number: -8

It looks like a Royal Navy Training Ship


from wikipedia ............

HMS Arethusa (1849) was a 50-gun fourth-rate launched in 1849. She was fitted with screw propulsion in 1861 and became a training ship in 1874. She was broken up in 1934.

Once decommissioned, the ship was passed from the Royal Navy to a charity called 'Shaftesbury Homes'. Who provide refuge and teach children who had been sleeping rough on the streets of London. It trained those young boys for a career in the Royal Navy or Merchant Navy. After the ship was broken up an onshore base was built as the Arethuse Venture Centre, which provides residential school trips and educational visits for young people throughout the UK. It also offers outdoor challenges and adventures, to aid confidence and self-esteem in young people.

could this be william in 1881


Name William Wheeler
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Swanscombe, Kent, England
Registration District Dartford
Gender Male
Age 16
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Boy Under Training
Birth Year (Estimated) 1865
Birthplace London, Middlesex, England
Page Number 0
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 868/129
Affiliate Record Type Household

His death date?

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Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
Wheeler William Bethnal Gn. 1c 315

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
19, West Street, Bethnal Green, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Irwin Head Married Male 33 1848 Labourer Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Caroline Irwin Wife Married Female 32 1849 Box Maker (W B) Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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James Darmore Step Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Robert Irwin Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Mary A Irwin Daughter Single Female 5 1876 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Caroline Irwin Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England



Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
Cotton Maria Bethnal Green 1c 629
Irwin Angels John Bethnal Green 1c 629
Irwin Angels John Bethnal G. 1c 629 xxx
Watts John Richard Bethnal Green 1c 629
WHEELER Caroline Bethnal Green 1c 629 xxx

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bath Place, Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elias Deniord Head Married Male 34 1817 Weaver Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Ann Deniord Wife Married Female 39 1812 Weaver Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
William Deniord Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Mary Deniord Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1842 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription
Sarah Deniord Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1846 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England



First name(s) ANN
Last name DENIORD
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1812
Age 63
Death quarter 1
Death year 1875
District BETHNAL GREEN
County London
Volume 1C
Page 191


First name(s) ELIAS
Last name DENIORD
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1818
Age 48
Death quarter 3
Death year 1866
District BETHNAL GREEN
County London
Volume 1C
Page 219

London, Docklands and East End Baptisms, 1558-1933 Transcription
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First name(s) James Elias
Last name Deniord
Birth year 1851
Birth date 28 Jun 1851
Baptism year 1851
Baptism date 14 Sep 1851
Father's first name(s) Elias
Mother's first name(s) Anne
Father's occupation Weaver
Address 2 Bath Place
Parish St Andrew, Bethnal Green
Notes -
Church address Viaduct Street
County London
Country England
Transcriber note -
Archive reference X025/001


England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) Elias
Last name Deniord
Name note -
Marriage year 1838
Marriage date 28 Apr 1838
Marriage place Bethnal Green
Father's first name(s) Elias
Father's last name Deniord
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Pearce
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Pearce
County London
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) WILLIAM SAMUEL
Last name DENIORD
Birth year 1838
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District BETHNAL GREEN
County London
Country England
Volume 2
Page 44

First name(s) JAMES
Last name DENIORD
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1871
Age 1
Death quarter 1
Death year 1872
District BETHNAL GREEN
County London
Volume 1C
Page 222

Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
DENIORD James Bethnal Green 1c 275 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1871 (>99%)
Deniord James Bethnal Green 1c 275 Scan available - click to view

There were no penalties for not registering a birth at the time he was born. Maybe he was not registered

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tapp Street, Bethnal Green, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William* Denon Head - Male 32 1839 - Middlesex, England
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Caroline Denon Wife - Female 24 1847 - Middlesex, England
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William Denon Son - Male 4 1867 - Middlesex, England
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James Denon Son - Male 0 1871 - Middlesex, England

Was confused, put wrong father as you show, should have been william. Thanks will try bmd.

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Name: William Denoird
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Jul 1867
Father's name: William Samuel Denoird
Mother's name: Caroline Denoird
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Matthias
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Have you tried FreeBmd? That's sometimes easier to filter than subscription sites.
Apart from the alternate spellings, you might also need to consider that his birth wasn't registered. It didn't become compulsary until the mid 1870s.

As you say Angelo John was the father & the bap has William Samuel, are you certain the bap is correct?

Looking for birth of William Denoird circa 1867. Have found his baptism on 7 July 1867 and again in the 1871 census with father Angelo John and mother Caroline plus brother James. Query over surname as may have been Denoa or Deniord or Demere . Would like to find his birth and even his death. Family lived in Bethnal Green. Thanks in advance