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Leslie

Leslie Report 27 Jan 2016 11:54

Hi Helpers.
I have received b cert for Agnes Killoh Watson b1923 Brixton Lambeth.
Father shown as Herbert Watson (Journalist) and mother as Agnes Hendry Shaich Watson formally Walker. 4 Dover Mansions Canterbury Rd Brixton.
I have searched and searched but can not find a marriage for Herbert and Agnes to be able to continue this branch.
Plus "Killoh" and Shaich are quite unusual, Where would these names come from?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 27 Jan 2016 12:06

Could this possibly be the marraige?

Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
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Walker Agnes Norwich 4b 247
Watson Herbert James Norwich 4b 247

Leslie

Leslie Report 27 Jan 2016 12:11

Hi Margee
I guess it's possible but would have thought the Hendry or Shaich would show somewhere, I can't even find birth for her,
Thanks
Les

Rambling

Rambling Report 27 Jan 2016 12:16

Shiach would appear to be a Scottish name? perhaps they married in Scotland so worth looking at Scotlands People website for BMDs

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Jan 2016 12:18

from a tree on ancestry but not documented

Agnes

Birth
30 Jan 1894 • Gamrie, Banff
1894
(AGE)
Birth of Brother James Killoh Walker(1896–1977)
20 Aug 1896 • 88 Duff Street, Macduff
1896
2
Birth of Sister Elizabeth Barbara Walker(1897–1970)
4 May 1897
1897
3
Birth of Sister Gertrude Walker(1898–1997)
24 Dec 1898
1898
4
Birth of Brother William Killoh Anderson Walker(1901–1960)
13 Feb 1901 • Glasgow
1901
7
Birth of Sister Ethel Walker(1903–1972)
1903 • Glasgow
1903
8
Marriage
1 Sep 1920
Herbert Watson (1893–1940)
1920
26
Birth of Daughter Agnnes Killoh Nancy Watson(1923–1969)
1 Aug 1923 • Brixton, London
1923
29
Death of Husband Herbert Watson(1893–1940)
8 Aug 1940 • Portsmouth
1940
46
Death of Father William Watson Walker(1865–1951)
31 Jul 1951 • Glasgow
1951
57
Death of Brother William Killoh Anderson Walker(1901–1960)
16 Sep 1960 • Elizabeth, New Jersey
1960
66
Death of Mother Elizabeth Massey Killoh(1874–1968)
28 Aug 1968 • Glasgow
1968
74
Death of Daughter Agnnes Killoh Nancy Watson(1923–1969)
14 Apr 1969 • St Thomas Hospital
1969
75
Death of Sister Elizabeth Barbara Walker(1897–1970)
1970
1970
76
Death of Sister Ethel Walker(1903–1972)
1972
1972
78
Death of Brother James Killoh Walker(1896–1977)
May 1977 • Glasgow
1977
83
Death
1 Jun 1978 • Cosham, Portsmouth

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Jan 2016 12:19


James Killoh Walker
United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records
Name James Killoh Walker
Event Type Military Service
Event Year Range 1918-1921
Event Place United Kingdom
Birthplace Banffshire
Birth Year 1895
Name: James Killoh Walker
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 May 1895
Birth Place: Banff, Banffshire
Service number: M20397
First Service Date: 4 May 1916
First Ship Served On: Vivid II
Last Service Date: 29 1919
Last Ship Served On: Concord

Leslie

Leslie Report 27 Jan 2016 12:22

Hi Rambling Rose
I have uk membership to Ancestry and have scoured everywhere so as you have helped me before I thought fresh eyes could help, I'll keep trying.
Many Thanks
Les

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Jan 2016 12:24

if correct
Elizabeth Massey Killoh
1874–1968
BIRTH 30 SEP 1874 • West Cushnie, Gamrie, Banff
DEATH 28 AUG 1968 • Glasgow

Birth
30 Sep 1874 • West Cushnie, Gamrie, Banff
1874
(AGE)
Birth of Sister Mary Ann Killoh(1877–1960)
23 Mar 1877 • West Cushnie
1877
2
Birth of Sister Barbara Killoh(1879–1959)
23 Mar 1879 • West Cushnie
1879
4
Birth of Brother Alexander Killoh(1883–1950)
20 Aug 1883 • West Cushnie
1883
8
Marriage
5 Jul 1893
William Watson Walker (1865–1951)
1893
18
Birth of Daughter Agnes Henry Shirach Walker(1894–1978)
30 Jan 1894 • Gamrie, Banff
1894
19
Death of Brother James Killoh(1863–1894)
1894
1894
20
Birth of Son James Killoh Walker(1896–1977)
20 Aug 1896 • 88 Duff Street, Macduff
1896
21
Birth of Daughter Elizabeth Barbara Walker(1897–1970)
4 May 1897
1897
22
Death of Sister Agnes Killoh(1866–1898)
24 Mar 1898 • Pretoria, South Africa
1898
23
Birth of Daughter Gertrude Walker(1898–1997)
24 Dec 1898
1898
24
Birth of Son William Killoh Anderson Walker(1901–1960)
13 Feb 1901 • Glasgow
1901
26
Death of Father James Killoh(1834–1902)
22 Oct 1902 • West Cushnie, Gamrie, Banff
1902
28
Death of Brother William Killoh(1872–1902)
1902
1902
28
Birth of Daughter Ethel Walker(1903–1972)
1903 • Glasgow
1903
28
Death of Mother Barbara Watt(1837–1929)
16 Oct 1929 • Itlaw, Alvah, Banff
1929
55
Death of Brother Alexander Killoh(1883–1950)
28 Aug 1950
1950
75
Death of Husband William Watson Walker(1865–1951)
31 Jul 1951 • Glasgow
1951
76
Death of Brother John Killoh(1870–1951)
1951
1951
77
Death of Brother Andrew Killoh(1865–1954)
1954
1954
80
Death of Sister Barbara Killoh(1879–1959)
1959
1959
85
Death of Sister Mary Ann Killoh(1877–1960)
14 Feb 1960 • Aberdeen
1960
85
Death of Son William Killoh Anderson Walker(1901–1960)
16 Sep 1960 • Elizabeth, New Jersey
1960
85
Death
28 Aug 1968 • Glasgow

Birth
30 Sep 1874 • West Cushnie, Gamrie, Banff
1874
(AGE)
Birth of Sister Mary Ann Killoh(1877–1960)
23 Mar 1877 • West Cushnie
1877
2
Birth of Sister Barbara Killoh(1879–1959)
23 Mar 1879 • West Cushnie
1879
4
Birth of Brother Alexander Killoh(1883–1950)
20 Aug 1883 • West Cushnie
1883
8
Marriage
5 Jul 1893
William Watson Walker (1865–1951)
1893
18
Birth of Daughter Agnes Henry Shirach Walker(1894–1978)
30 Jan 1894 • Gamrie, Banff
1894
19
Death of Brother James Killoh(1863–1894)
1894
1894
20
Birth of Son James Killoh Walker(1896–1977)
20 Aug 1896 • 88 Duff Street, Macduff
1896
21
Birth of Daughter Elizabeth Barbara Walker(1897–1970)
4 May 1897
1897
22
Death of Sister Agnes Killoh(1866–1898)
24 Mar 1898 • Pretoria, South Africa
1898
23
Birth of Daughter Gertrude Walker(1898–1997)
24 Dec 1898
1898
24
Birth of Son William Killoh Anderson Walker(1901–1960)
13 Feb 1901 • Glasgow
1901
26
Death of Father James Killoh(1834–1902)
22 Oct 1902 • West Cushnie, Gamrie, Banff
1902
28
Death of Brother William Killoh(1872–1902)
1902
1902
28
Birth of Daughter Ethel Walker(1903–1972)
1903 • Glasgow
1903
28
Death of Mother Barbara Watt(1837–1929)
16 Oct 1929 • Itlaw, Alvah, Banff
1929
55
Death of Brother Alexander Killoh(1883–1950)
28 Aug 1950
1950
75
Death of Husband William Watson Walker(1865–1951)
31 Jul 1951 • Glasgow
1951
76
Death of Brother John Killoh(1870–1951)
1951
1951
77
Death of Brother Andrew Killoh(1865–1954)
1954
1954
80
Death of Sister Barbara Killoh(1879–1959)
1959
1959
85
Death of Sister Mary Ann Killoh(1877–1960)
14 Feb 1960 • Aberdeen
1960
85
Death of Son William Killoh Anderson Walker(1901–1960)
16 Sep 1960 • Elizabeth, New Jersey
1960
85
Death
28 Aug 1968 • Glasgow

Birth
30 Sep 1874 • West Cushnie, Gamrie, Banff
1874
(AGE)
Birth of Sister Mary Ann Killoh(1877–1960)
23 Mar 1877 • West Cushnie
1877
2
Birth of Sister Barbara Killoh(1879–1959)
23 Mar 1879 • West Cushnie
1879
4
Birth of Brother Alexander Killoh(1883–1950)
20 Aug 1883 • West Cushnie
1883
8
Marriage
5 Jul 1893
William Watson Walker (1865–1951)
1893
18
Birth of Daughter Agnes Henry Shirach Walker(1894–1978)
30 Jan 1894 • Gamrie, Banff
1894
19
Death of Brother James Killoh(1863–1894)
1894
1894
20
Birth of Son James Killoh Walker(1896–1977)
20 Aug 1896 • 88 Duff Street, Macduff
1896
21
Birth of Daughter Elizabeth Barbara Walker(1897–1970)
4 May 1897
1897
22
Death of Sister Agnes Killoh(1866–1898)
24 Mar 1898 • Pretoria, South Africa
1898
23
Birth of Daughter Gertrude Walker(1898–1997)
24 Dec 1898
1898
24
Birth of Son William Killoh Anderson Walker(1901–1960)
13 Feb 1901 • Glasgow
1901
26
Death of Father James Killoh(1834–1902)
22 Oct 1902 • West Cushnie, Gamrie, Banff
1902
28
Death of Brother William Killoh(1872–1902)
1902
1902
28
Birth of Daughter Ethel Walker(1903–1972)
1903 • Glasgow
1903
28
Death of Mother Barbara Watt(1837–1929)
16 Oct 1929 • Itlaw, Alvah, Banff
1929
55
Death of Brother Alexander Killoh(1883–1950)
28 Aug 1950
1950
75
Death of Husband William Watson Walker(1865–1951)
31 Jul 1951 • Glasgow
1951
76
Death of Brother John Killoh(1870–1951)
1951
1951
77
Death of Brother Andrew Killoh(1865–1954)
1954
1954
80
Death of Sister Barbara Killoh(1879–1959)
1959
1959
85
Death of Sister Mary Ann Killoh(1877–1960)
14 Feb 1960 • Aberdeen
1960
85
Death of Son William Killoh Anderson Walker(1901–1960)
16 Sep 1960 • Elizabeth, New Jersey
1960
85
Death
28 Aug 1968 • Glasgow

husband

William Watson Walker
1865–1951
BIRTH 13 AUG 1865 • Macduff, Banff, Scotland
DEATH 31 JUL 1951 • Glasgow

parents
James Killoh
1834–1902
BIRTH 29 AUG 1834 • Wester Cushnie, Gamrie, Banff
DEATH 22 OCT 1902 • West Cushnie, Gamrie, Banff

Barbara Watt
1837–1929
BIRTH 12 DEC 1837 • Old Deer, Aberdeen
DEATH 16 OCT 1929 • Itlaw, Alvah, Banff

Leslie

Leslie Report 27 Jan 2016 12:31

Hi Maddie
I think you have found what appears to fit, the b cert is 1st Aug 1923 Brixton and the marriage very possible .
Also as Rambling Rose said the name could be Scotish.
I will go on Ancestry and then try to find sources.
Many many Thanks
Les

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Jan 2016 12:38

1901

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Killoh Head Married Male 66 1835 Farmer Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Barbara Killoh Wife Married Female 63 1838 - Old Deer, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Transcription
Alexander Killoh Son Single Male 18 1883 Farmer's Son Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Mary A Killoh Daughter Single Female 24 1877 - Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
James K Walker Grandson - Male 5 1896 - Macduff, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Census details
First name(s) James K
Last name Walker
Relationship Grandson
Marital status -
Gender Male
Age 5
Birth year 1896
Occupation -
Birth town Macduff
Birth town as transcribed MACDUFF
Birth county Banffshire
Birth county as transcribed BANFFSHIRE
Birth place Scotland
Birth place other as transcribed SCOTLAND
Other household member first name(s) JAMES, BARBARA, ALEXANDER, MARY
Other household member last name KILLOH, WALKER
Street -
Town -
Parish Gamrie
City -
Country Scotland
County Banffshire
Municipal ward -
Registration district Gamrie
Archive reference RG13
Piece number -
Folio -
Page -
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jan 2016 12:56

Agnes (the mother)'s birth. Note spelling of Henry - not Hendry:

1894 WALKER, AGNES HENRY SHI[ach] F MACDUFF /BANFF 155/A2 0016


EDIT:
Actually, it's recorded twice:

1894 WALKER AGNES HENRY SHI F GAMRIE /BANFF 155/A1 0011

If you buy credits on Scotlands People, you can view/print the image of the cert, for all parents' details, date of parents' marriage, etc.

Leslie

Leslie Report 27 Jan 2016 12:56

Thank you all very much, you are all great.
Regards
Les

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jan 2016 13:02

And marriage to Herbert. Again, credits on SP will let you see all details:

1920 WATSON HERBERT
WALKER AGNES H S
BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 2482

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Jan 2016 13:18

1881
James Killoh Head Married Male 46 1835 Farmer Of 53 Acres Arable Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Barbara Killoh Wife Married Female 43 1838 - Old Deer, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Transcription
James Killoh Son Unmarried Male 18 1863 Farmer's Son Old Machar, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Transcription
Andrew Killoh Son Unmarried Male 16 1865 Farmer's Son Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Agnes Killoh Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1867 Farmer's Daughter Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
John Killoh Son - Male 10 1871 Scholar Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
William Killoh Son - Male 8 1873 Scholar Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Elizabeth Massie Killoh Daughter - Female 6 1875 Scholar Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Mary Ann Killoh Daughter - Female 4 1877 - Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Barbara Jane Killoh Daughter - Female 1 1880 - Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Census details
First name(s) James
Last name Killoh
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 46
Birth year 1835
Occupation Farmer Of 53 Acres Arable
Birth town Gamrie
Birth town as transcribed GAMRIE
Birth county Banffshire
Birth county as transcribed BANFFSHIRE
Birth place Scotland
House name Cushnie
Street -
Town -
Parish Gamrie
County Banffshire
Country Scotland
Registration district Gamrie
Archive reference RG11
Piece number -
Folio -
Page -
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain
© Findmypast

1891
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Killoh Head Married Male 55 1836 Farmer Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Barbara Killoh Wife Married Female 53 1838 Farmers Wife Old Deer, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Transcription
James Killoh Son Unmarried Male 28 1863 Farmers Son Aberdeenshire, Scotland Transcription
John Killoh Son Unmarried Male 20 1871 Railway Porter Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Mary Ann Killoh Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1877 - Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Barbara Jane Killoh Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Alexander Killoh Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Banffshire, Scotland Transcription
Frank Taylor Servant Unmarried Male 15 1876 Farm Servant Banffshire, Scotland Transcription


Leslie

Leslie Report 27 Jan 2016 13:20

I don't believe you guys, you are incredible.
Many Thanks
Les

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Jan 2016 13:27

just in case they become relevant

Scotland Marriages 1561-1910 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) Jas.
Last name Killoh
Marriage year 1797
Marriage date 23 Nov 1797
Marriage place Gamrie,Banff,Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) Janet
Spouse's last name Jameson
Place Gamrie
County Banffshire
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Marriages 1561-1910
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Scotland Births and Baptisms 1564-1950 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) James
Last name Killoh
Gender Male
Birth year 1798
Birth place -
Baptism year 1798
Baptism date 11 Feb 1798
Baptism place GAMRIE,BANFF,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Killoh
Mother's first name(s) Isobel
Mother's last name Rankin
Place Gamrie
County Banffshire
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Scotland Births and Baptisms 1564-1950 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) James
Last name Killoh
Gender Male
Birth year 1798
Birth place -
Baptism year 1798
Baptism date 11 Feb 1798
Baptism place GAMRIE,BANFF,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Killoh
Mother's first name(s) Isobel
Mother's last name Rankin
Place Gamrie
County Banffshire
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Leslie

Leslie Report 27 Jan 2016 15:34

Thanks a million Maddie.
Working my way through sources and have joined Scotlands people site.
Regards
Les

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Jan 2016 16:00

good luck :-)

mgnv

mgnv Report 27 Jan 2016 23:58

The surnames mentioned, Killoh, Shiach, plus Hendry, Massie are most commonly found in NE Scotland along the Aberdeen-Inverness axis
See http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Surnames.aspx

You can get 1890s maps showing parishes for any Scottish county via:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/

Although the coverage is spotty, the most accurate transcriptions are found at:
http://www.freecen.org.uk/

Moray & Nairn are complete 1841-1871, Banff 1841-1861, and Aberdeen 1841-1861 is almost complete - there's a small bit of the city still to do for 1861.


Go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ and search for 379000,861800
If you go to zoom level 3, you'll see the arrow points to Wester Cushnie.

Leslie

Leslie Report 28 Jan 2016 07:45

Hi mgmt
Thank you very much.
Regards
Les