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In the 1911 census I have Charles Baker head aged 50 married 7 years with wife Emily aged 45 and three children. On the birth certificate of the youngest child Eric, his mother's maiden name is Stroud.
I cannot find the marriage record for Charles and Emily on Ancestry or FreeBMD.
I'd be extremely grateful if anyone could help with this please.

is this the family
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Name: Charles Baker
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sopworth, Wiltshire
Civil Parish: Didmarton
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County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: Didmarton, Badminton
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration district: Tetbury
Registration District Number: 328
Sub-registration district: Didmarton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 15405
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Baker 50
Emily Baker 45
Doris Baker 5
Frederick Baker 2
Eric Baker 10/12

Hi Maddie. Thanks for prompt reply. Yes that's the family

can't see one either

She was 40 when she had Doris. Wonder if she was married before ????

BAKER Eric Humphries BAKER BAKER (Mother Maiden Name) STROUD 1910 Cirencester Tetbury, Didmarton 6 187

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

(only seeing Eric on above)

Chris :)

(Glos. given also for Birthplace Doris and Frederick)

That may be right Shirley. I did search for Charles Baker with just Emily's Christian name, but no luck there either. It's a puzzle.

i wonder if this is Charles in 1891 - he's the only Charles Baker I can find b Sopworth on the census. Am not picking up in 1901 at the moment so can't follow through to see what's happening to the family later on.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rhys Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Baker Head Married Male 33 1858 Coal Miner Sopworth, Wiltshire, England T
Julia Baker Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Sopworth, Wiltshire, England
Jesse Baker Son Single Male 1 1890 - Trealaw, Glamorgan, Wales
Walter Baker Son Single Male 0 1891 - Trealaw, Glamorgan, Wales
William Harding Boarder Single Male 20 1871 Coal Miner Acton Turville, Gloucestershire, England
Joseph Woodman Boarder Single Male 18 1873 Coal Miner Sopworth, Wiltshire, England

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Could be this marriage as there are Julia Smith's born 1858 and 1860 in the Malmesbury RD which covers Sopworth. If it's the right Charles he has knocked a couple of year off his age by 1911 and the only registrations for him would be Malmesbury 1856 and 1858 or as Charles George 1858

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) CHARLES
Last name BAKER
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1889
MarriageFinder™ CHARLES BAKER married one of these people
JULIA SMITH, ANN DAVIES
District PONTYPRIDD
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 590

Hi greyghost. I think you may be on to something. I'm doing this research for a friend and I remember him saying now that Charles had been married before in Wales to a Julia, but he didn't know her surname. So thanks for solving that one.
Charles obviously remarried in or around 1904 based on the 1911 record, but where's the marriage reference I wonder?

is this Charles in 1871 census












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Charles Baker

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name Charles Baker
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Sopworth, Wiltshire, England
Enumeration District 11
Gender Male
Age 14
Marital Status Single
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1857
Birthplace Sopworth, Wiltshire
Entry Number 17
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/1893/0089



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Humphry Baker Head M 38 Hawkesbury Upton, Gloucestershire
Eliza Baker Wife F 38 Sopworth, Wiltshire
Charles Baker Son M 14 Sopworth, Wiltshire
Alice Baker Daughter F 11 Sopworth, Wiltshire
Charlotte Baker Daughter F 8 Sopworth, Wiltshire
Laura Baker Daughter F 1 Sopworth, Wiltshire

and in 1881


Age 24
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Stable Helper (Groom)
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Birth Year (Estimated) 1857
Birthplace Sopworth, Wiltshire, England
Page Number 9
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 2552/6
Affiliate Record Type Household



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

James Sefton Lodger Head M 36 Haniford, Norfolk, England
Edward Marjorum Boarder M 27 Brentwood, Essex, England
George Salt Boarder M 18 Badminton, Gloucestershire, England
Charles Baker Boarder M 24 Sopworth, Wiltshire, England
James Miller Boarder M 25 Nainsdon ?, Oxfordshire, England
John Cutlow Boarder M 31 Cubden, Suffolk, England

Maybe he was still married to Julia - or Emily to someone else.

Saying they were married for 7 years would cover the ages of the children. Just taking another name (or bigamous marriages) were more common than you might like to think.

On the other hand there may have been a mistake and the marriage didn't hit the GRO!

It could also be that her maiden name wasn't Stroud, might depend on how the question was asked (or heard) when the birth was registered

Thanks Malyon, I will need to check with my friend about the two census records you've discovered. I won't be able to contact him until next week so please don't think I've ignored you.
Best regards
Ron

I take your points greyghost. Frustrating, but thanks for your input.
Best regards,
Ron