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I have a sub to Find my Past, but cannot find Albert R. French b 1855.
His parents are William R. French and Emma.
On Ancestry, I can see them at Plumstead kent, but cannot get the details, as I don't belong to Ancestry.
Can anyone give me the info please
Thank you very much
Jo

Albert R French

in the 1861 England Census
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Name: Albert R French
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: 1855
Relation: Son
Father's name: William R French
Mother's name: Emma French
Gender: Male
Where born: Plumstead, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Plumstead
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Plumstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 114
Piece: 410
Folio: 71
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William R French 33
Emma French 31
William H French 8
Albert R French 6
Emma J French 4
Ellen L French 2
Frederic C French 1/12
James Thorne 23

Dea x

(on FMP as Albert R Tomich)

(Baker Shop, 56, Upper Ann Street, Plumstead, Lewisham, London)

Chris :)


Baptism
County Kent
Place Woolwich
Church name St Mary Magdalene
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 537
Baptism date 24 Sep 1854
Birth date 26 Aug 1854
Person forename Albert Randall
Person sex M
Person abode No. 20 Fox Place Sandy Hill
Father forename William
Father surname FRENCH
Father occupation Baker
Mother forename Emma


Baptism
County Kent
Place Woolwich
Church name St Mary Magdalene
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 1655
Baptism date 31 Oct 1852
Birth date 01 Oct 1852
Person forename William Henry
Person sex M
Person abode No. 5 Princes Road Plumstead Common
Father forename William
Father surname FRENCH
Father occupation Baker
Mother forename Emma

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Willm R French

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name Willm R French
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Plumstead, London, Kent, England
Enumeration District 7
Gender Male
Age 43
Marital Status Married
Occupation Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1828
Birthplace Rochester, Kent
Entry Number 14
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/0792/0153


Willm R French Head M 43 Rochester, Kent
Emma French Wife F 41 Cransdale, Kent
Willm A French Son M 18 Plumstead, Kent
Albert R French Son M 16 Plumstead, Kent
Emma French Daughter F 14 Plumstead, Kent
Ellen L French Daughter F 12 Plumstead, Kent
Edwin T French Son M 7 Plumstead, Kent
Ernest F French Son M 5 Woolwich, Kent
Alice L French Daughter F 3 Plumstead, Kent

Dea and Chris

Thank you very much. How do you get Tomich out of French!!!
Many thanks
Jo

?????????????

according to his dob surely this can't be him



William French

mentioned in the record of William French and Emma Piper

Name William French
Spouse's Name Emma Piper
Event Date 10 Aug 1835
Event Place Kent, England

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Baker Shop, 56, Upper Ann Street, Plumstead, Lewisham, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William R Tomich Head Married Male 33 1828 Baker Master Rochester, Kent, England
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Emma Tomich Wife Married Female 31 1830 - Crundale, Hampshire, England
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William H Tomich Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Plumstead, Kent, England
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Albert R Tomich Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Plumstead, Kent, England
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Emma I Tomich Daughter - Female 4 1857 Scholar Plumstead, Kent, England
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Ellen L Tomich Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Plumstead, Kent, England
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Thomas C Tomich Son - Male 0 1861 - Plumstead, Kent, England
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James Thornes Servant Unmarried Male 23 1838 Baker Oldbury, Hertfordshire, England

Nite nite,

Dea Xxx

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Name William French
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Plumstead, London, Kent, England
Enumeration District 7
Gender Male
Age 16
Marital Status Unmarried
Occupation Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Birth Year (Estimated) 1855
Birthplace Plumstead, Kent
Entry Number 20
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/0792/0150


Robert Barnes Head M 75 Sudbourne, Suffolk
Sarah Barnes Wife F 72 Ledburn, Suffolk
William French Grandson M 16 Plumstead, Kent

Baptism
County Kent
Place Plumstead
Church name St Nicholas
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 960
Baptism date 10 Jan 1858
Birth date 13 Nov 1857
Person forename William
Person sex M
Person abode Plumstead
Father forename William
Father surname FRENCH
Father occupation Copper Smith
Mother forename Sarh Ann


Marriages Dec 1847 (>99%)
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BARNES Sarah Ann Billericay 12 29
French William Billericay 12 29

(that one for above, perhaps, other one was William Henry)

Chris :)

A free search on Ancestry 1861 at:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8767
gets your hit as:

Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birthplace Relation Residence View Image
Albert R French William R,Emma 1855 city, Kent, England relation city, Kent


When you go to FMP, you really need the 1861 search screen.
Select the A-Z of record sets, filter to UK and start typing 1861 then click on the 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census set'

Since the problem is most likely mistranscription of surnames, and forenames and ages are much easier to transcribe accurately, search for Albert R, b 1855, in the same h/h as Emma, living in Kent.

We get the following hits:
First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth county Registration district Parish County
Albert R Tomich 1855 Kent Lewisham Plumstead London, Kent
Albert Ovenden 1855 Kent Sevenoaks Penshurst Kent
Albert Riden 1855 Yorkshire Dartford Dartford Kent
Albert Shange 1855 Middlesex Gravesend Milton Kent
Albert Sidders 1855 Kent Bridge Wickhambreux Kent
Albert Waters 1855 Kent Maidstone Linton Kent

Only one of these is in Plumstead, so that's the one I would try first

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Dea has provided Ancestry's version of the info that uniquely identifies this page, viz:
Piece: 410; Folio: 71; Page Number: 22

One can just search for the census ref, with all the other fields blank, on both sites.
There are 27 names on this page (a couple of extra names must be scrunched in), spread over 7 surnames.
Ancestry/FMP agree on just 3 surnames - Callow, Griffiths, Hyam. For the other 4 they have:
Spalding/Holding, Goodling/Quadling, Thorne/Thornes, French/Tomich

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It's very hard to guess the ref info, but if I had a clue like they lived Plumstead, then it's possible to guess the piece # is 410, and confirm this on the Ancestry search, and utilize it on the FMP search to get a unique result in this case.

So how do I guess - I go to:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
and click on advanced search, and search for Plumstead within the reference rg9, and see the piece #s it kicks out, viz: 408-411.
I can try each of these on the known Ancestry hit, and see it was in rg9/410.

The census ref codes are ho107 for 1841-1851, and rg9 thru rg14 for 1861 thru 1911.
I could separate 1841/1851 by searching for all the words plumstead AND 1841 (or 1851, as required) within ref ho107.


Incidentally, when you check the image, you'll see rg9/410 on the PRO copyright slip in the margin of the image, and the page # printed on the page - there is no folio # showing (happens almost half the time) - it's stamped on the preceding page and applies to the page it's stamped on and the following page.
In 1841, there was an extra identifier - the book # - which also appears on the PRO copyright slip.

Hello All

Thank you all very much for finding my 1861 census on Find my Past and how to find likewise with little info.

Have not got round to looking at the other info yet, but thank you ALL very much indeed for your help
Jo

Connected

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1357252?jump=1357252

Have posted his marriage on there.