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Thank you Lancashire Ann I never though of looking at it like that.

The good thing about asking questions on here is that other people can show you different ways of approaching things and ways of looking at things. Often they see things in a document that you have missed. These ideas often help develop new skills for doing family history.. So thank you everyone for all your help.

I hope this makes sense.

Happy Christmas

Jane

they are all described in the census as son or daughter in law.

As the ages mean that definition is not as we would use it now and I could not find any appropriate marriage I made the assumption of adopted.

Son in law was also sometimes used for step son so possibly for adopted as well

Charllotte Mum married Robert Splayfoot in Mar1860.

Christopher Robinson had a brother called William. A William married someone called Nancy and they had a son called John. A long shot I know and it really doesn't matter who John Robinson was. I was just being nosey.

Thanks for your help

Jane

Thanks LancashireAnn

How do you know they were adopted? I didn't think census gave you that information. I would never of thought of looking along those lines. Its certainly got me thinking. Thank you.

Jane

Lilian Robinson's father seems to be John Robinson

There is a John Robinson born Winterton, Lincs in c1853 who appears to have been possibly adopted in 1861 census

Charlotte Emma also born Winterton 1850 also seems to have been adopted in the 1861 census

So possibly Joh & Chalotte were brother and sister

oh thanks for that Londonbelle. . I think they were probably friends through his work. I can't find any links to the family

Jane

Rufus & Lilian Heath would have been Executors to Fred's Estate ie those administering the Estate so it doesn't necessarily mean that Jesse didn't inherit.

Rufus Heath married Lilliam Robinson in Mar quarter 1913. so at the moment there doesn't seem to be a direct family link. So why would they inherit over his wife??.

Jane

Jessie Grays mother was Charlotte Emma Robinson so perhaps Lillian is connected to her in someway.

thanks LancashireAnn and Dea.

Now I have to find out who Rufus and Lilian Heath were. It seems strange that his wife didn;t get it..

Thanks for your help

Jane

That's the one I was looking at Ann - seems to be the correct one!

Dea x

did Jessie die in 1962 age 80 of 17 Stubbley Rd Dronfield (widow) probate to Hilda Mary Higginbottom (widow)

wife of Walter Gray?

Marriages Jun 1936 (>99%)
Cox Hilda M Higginbottom Sheffield 9c 1525
Higginbottom Walter G Cox Sheffield 9c 1525

This might help??

Probate:

HIGGINBOTTOM Fred of Lynwood Villas, Stubley Lane Dronfield
Derbyshire died 27th June 1927. Probate Derby 3 September to
Rufus Heath joiner and Lilian Heath (wife of said Rufus Heath).
Effects £925.

Dea x

Thanks Dea for all your help

Jane

Thanks Ann

Yes I thought that was my Fred too.

I will have to send for his death cert and see what it says.

All the best

Jane

????????



Fred Higgingbottom

England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

Name Fred Higgingbottom
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1927
Registration District Chesterfield
County Derbyshire
Event Place Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Age (available after 1866) 52
Birth Year (Estimated) 1875
Volume 7B
Page 776
Line Number 64

You do have to remember that Ancestry trees can be very unreliable at times but at least it proves that there were two families at that time who Leslie could have belonged to and they have got his dob and marriage etc. so it does look likely that Leslie is not yours.

However, only the birth cert would confirm that as fact.

Dea x

Thanks Dea

Jessie Gray and Fred are my family so that means Leslie isn't mine. Thanks for that. Jane

A tree on Ancestry attributes Leslie's birth in 1915 to this family:


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13 Bakewell Street Derby, Derby, Derbyshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Albert Howard Higginbotton Head Married Male Dyer 25 1886 Ripley Derbyshire
Mabel Higginbotton Wife Married Female - 23 1888 Derby
Reginald Howard Higginbotton Son - Male - 4 1907 Derby

NB - Image says Higginbottom !

Mabel was Mabel GRAY before marriage in 1906


Marriages Jun 1904
Gray Jessie Chesterfield 7b 1609
Higginbottom Fred Chesterfield 7b 1609


Marriages Sep 1906
GRAY Mabel Derby 7b 1115
HIGGINBOTTOM Albert Howard Derby 7b 1115


Dea x

If you find their marriage you will have her maiden name and can check if Leslie has the same mmn

On the face of it looks like she was maiden name gray as they have a brother in law living with them

Thanks Dea.

So it looks like they had a lot of problems having children. There is a good chance that Leslie isn't thiers then.

All the best

Jane