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George Cross was born 1810 St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex.

Here he is on the 1871 census

1871 England Census
Name George Cross
Age 60
Estimated Birth Yearabt 1811
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Ann Cross
Gender Male
Where born St Andrews, Middlesex, England
Civil parish Clapham
Ecclesiastical parish Christchurch
County/IslandSurrey
Country England
Registration district Wandsworth
Sub-registration district Clapham

Name

Age


George Cross 60 Engine Fitter
Ann Cross 56
Charlotte Cross 28 Daughter in Law
George W Cross 5 Grandson

(George is not with Charlotte and George in 1881)

George age 65 an Engine Fitter, remarried Mary Ann Robins (age 46 born 1832 Whitechapel, Middlesex) in 1877 St James, Clapham.

On the 1891 census, George age 80, an Engineer and Widower is in the Wandsworth and Clapham Union Workhouse.

Please can anyone find George on the 1881 census. I have looked but I can't seem to find him anywhere, with or without a wife Mary Ann.

Thank you.

Also

This is Mary Ann with her first husband John Robins on the 1871 census

1871 England Census
Name Mary A Robins
Age 36
Estimated Birth Yea rabt 1835
Relation Wife
Spouse's Name John Robins
Gender Female
Where born London, England
Civil parish Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish St Peter
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Registration district Clifton
Sub-registration district Clifton




Name

Age


John Robins 36
Mary A Robins 36
Authur Robins 13 Clifton Bristol
Ada Robins 5 Clifton Bristol

Not only can I not find Mary as Mary Ann Cross on the 1881 census, I can't find her children Arthur and Ada Robins.

England, Select Bristol Parish Registers, 1538-1900
Name Arthur Robins
Gender Male
Baptism Date 25 Oct 1857
Baptism Place Clifton Wood, St Peter, Gloucestershire, England

Household Members
Arthur Robins
Mary Ann Robins
John Robins


England, Select Bristol Parish Registers, 1538-1900
Name Ada Robins
Gender Female
Baptism Date 03 Sep 1865
Baptism Place Clifton Wood, St Peter, Gloucestershire, England

Household Members
Ada Robins
Mary Ann Robins
John Robins

Name George Cross
Gender Male
Christening Date 15 Oct 1810
Christening Place SAINT ANDREW,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 28 Jul 1810
Father's Name George Cross
Mother's Name Sarah

Name George Cross
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County London
Parish Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical Parish ST ANDREW
Registration District Wandsworth
Gender Male
Age 80
Marital Status Widower
Occupation Engineer
Birth Year (Estimated) 1811
Birthplace Holborn, London, England
Page Number 2
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 451/ 97

Thank you Ann.

Yes that's him.

He died in 1891.

Just possibly Arthur in 1901????

But I can't see George, Mary Ann, Ada or Arthur in 1881.

Arthur Robins
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Arthur Robins
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bristol
Civil Parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas the Martyr
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Occupation: Groom / ostler
Condition as to marriage: single
Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: St Mary Redcliff
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2376
Folio: 10
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Martin 31
Sylvia Martin 8
Irene Martin 6
Martha Martin
Arthur Robins 39

I was wondering if this is Ada?

Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
Goddard Edward Barton R. 6a 236
xxxxx Neville James Barton R. 6a 236
xxxxx Robins Ada Barton R. 6a 236
Williams Jessie Barton R. 6a 236


1891
Name: Ada Neville
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Neville
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol; Clifton
Civil Parish: Bedminster
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Nativity
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Bedminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1952
Folio: 41
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
James Neville 26
Ada Neville 25
Reginald J Neville 5/12

.................age and place of birth fits, so maybe???

1901
Name: Ada Neville
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Neville
Birth Place: Bristol
Civil Parish: Bristol
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Ecclesiastical parish: Knowle Holy Nativity
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: Knowle
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2387
Folio: 69
Page Number: 33
Household schedule number: 221
Household Members:
Name Age
James Neville 35
Ada Neville 34
Rezinald J Neville 10
Elsie M Neville 6
Evelyn P Neville 5
Auther Neville 3/12
Jane Bailey 15


1911
Name: Ada Neville
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bristol, Somerset
Civil Parish: Bristol
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County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: 65 Maxse Road, Knowle, Bristol
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 21
Estimated Marriage Year: 1890
Registration district: Bristol
Registration District Number: 319
Sub-registration district: Knowle
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 109
Piece: 14933
Household Members:
Name Age
James Neville 47
Ada Neville 45
Reginald James Neville 20
Elsie Madeline Neville 17
Evelyn Priscilla Neville 15
Arthur Edward Neville 10


I know it's still not 1881 census, but if Ada married in Gloucestershire then maybe they were all there in 1881?

EDIT:- Not her, see below.

well George died in Wandsworth in 1891

Ada Robins
England, Bristol Parish Registers
Name Ada Robins
Event Type Christening
Event Date 03 Sep 1865
Event Place Clifton Wood, St Peter, Gloucestershire, England
Gender Female
Father's Name John Robins
Mother's Name Mary Ann Robins

Name Ada Robins
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
Registration District Barton Regis
Residence Note Crosby Row
Gender Female
Age 15
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Boot Machines
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1866
Birthplace Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Page Number 24
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 2480/82
Affiliate Record Type Household
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Charlotte Robins Head F 52 Plymouth, Devon, England
Mary Ann Robins Daughter F 25 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Harry Robins Son M 19 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Robins Daughter F 17 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Ada Robins Daughter F 15 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Charles Robins Son M 14 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Susan Robins Daughter F 11 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
John Robins Son M 10 M Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Malyon, I saw that 1881 but the Mary Ann on there is noted as being Daughter aged 25yrs, so she can't be the mother of Ada who is 15yrs old.

This is the Ada from the 1881:-

Name: Ada Robins
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Charles Robins
Mother's name: Charlotte Robins
Gender: Female
Where born: Clifton; Bristol
Civil Parish: Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 2541
Folio: 40
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Robins 45
Charlotte Robins 43
George C Robins 17
Mary A Robins 15
Clara Robins 13
Henry Robins 9
Charlotte Robins 7
Ada Robins 5
Charles Robins 3
Susan Robins 1
John Robins 3 Months


..................and our Ada is with her parents in 1871 so this is a different one, just happens to be born at the same time and place.

While I've been looking at above I came across this which prooves that the Ada from the 1881 census is the Ada that married James Neville, so not the Ada we are looking for:-

Name: Ada Robins
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 30 Nov 1889
Marriage Place: Clifton, St Andrew, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Charles Robins
Spouse: James Neville
FHL Film Number: 4189253

Wild suggestion for Ada, in the absence of anything else:

A . R .
in the 1881 England Census
Name: A . R .
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Wotton St Mary
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: "Gloucester County Lunatic Asylum"
: Gloucester
ED, institution, or vessel: Gloucester County Lunatic Asylum
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2530
Folio: 118
Page Number: 26

ArgyllGran

Thank you for taking the time to post Arthur in the 1901 census. I came across that one too. A bit iffy though don't you think, considering there a 6 year age difference?

Catherine, yes you are right. The Ada Robins who married James Neville is indeed a different Ada. I got quite excited when I first came across that marriage.

Thank you very much for taking the time and effort for looking for me. I really do appreciate it.

Goodness knows where they all are in 1881!

Just spotted your last post ArgyllGran.

Interesting. I will take a closer look at that one tomorrow.

Thank you.

Well, they don't appear to be at 1 Broad Hinton Road in 1881, the address given for them both on their Married Cert in 1877

Thank you for that information Londonbelle.