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Jane M Roberts - Llanfrothen/Caernarfon area

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Ann

Ann Report 16 Dec 2015 19:35

Wonder if someone can help please, I am looking for any info on Jane M Roberts dob circa 1886 from the Llanfrothen/Caernarfon area. She married my grandfather John Atkinson from the Ruthin, Denbighshire area. Thank you

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Dec 2015 19:51

You don't give any dates for the marriage ..............

is this it???

Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)
ATKINSON John Ruthin 11b 591

ROBERTS Jane Ruthin 11b 591


I take it you do not have the marriage certificate?? That should have her father's name, and occupation, and even possibly family members as witnesses

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Dec 2015 19:57

Is this Jane and John on the 1911 Census??


1911 Census

Name: Jane Atkinson
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Gwraig (Wife)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Llanfrothen, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Gyffylliog
Search Photos: Search for 'Gyffylliog' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Pistyll Gwyn Bontuchel Ruthin
Marital Status: Priod (Married)
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Registration district: Ruthin
Registration District Number: 622
Sub-registration district: Ruthin
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Household schedule number: 10
Piece: 34081

John Atkinson 26 b.ca 1885, Llangynhafal, Denbighshire, Occupation: Llafurwr Gyffredeaol
Jane Atkinson 23
Edth Atkinson 1
Ann Atkinson 49 b.ca 1862, Llangynnin, Denbighshire, Mother
Ann Atkinson 7 Days
Jane James 66 b.ca 1845, Llanynys, Denbighshire, Single, Retired

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Dec 2015 20:17

?????????????????/

a possible???

This is the only Jane Roberts born Llanfrothen showing in 1891

1891 Census

Name: Jane Roberts
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Roberts
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanfrothen
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfrothen
Town: Croesor
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Festiniog
Sub registration district: Festiniog
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Piece: 4647
Folio: 40
Page Number: 14

Mary Roberts 42 b.ca 1849, Llanfihangel Penant, Caernarvonshire, Widow, Farmer-ess
Catherine Roberts 17 b.ca 1874, Llanfihangel Penant, Caernarvonshire, Assisting on Farm
Jane Roberts 3
Griffith Jones 18 Farm Labourer

Address:- Creua


SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Dec 2015 20:21

and the same Jane in 1901 ??????????????????


1901 Census

Name: Jane Roberts
Age in 1901: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanfrothen
Search Photos: Search for 'Llanfrothen' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfrothen
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Deudraeth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13

Household schedule number: 43
Piece: 5256
Folio: 137
Page Number: 9

Ellen Jones 49 b.ca 1852, Anglesea, Aberffraw, C. M. Minister's wife
Jane Roberts 13 In School

Address:- Scloam 3

Catherine

Catherine Report 16 Dec 2015 20:21

Where do get the M from as neither the marriage nor the 1911 census gives a middle initial?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Dec 2015 20:22

(looking at image, would below be baby?, seems a Male)

Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
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Atkinson George N Ruthin 11b 283

Chris :)

Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Atkinson George N Hughes Ruthin 11b 543
Hughes Mary F Atkinson Ruthin 11b 543

(his Death 1961)


edits (also, not Edith 1911, but below!)


Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
ATKINSON Edward Henry Ruthin 11b 285

(his Death 1995)

Catherine

Catherine Report 16 Dec 2015 20:25

There's also this one:-

1891

Name: Jane Roberts
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Roberts
Mother's name: Ellen Roberts
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanfrothen
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfrothen
Town: Croesor
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Festiniog
Sub registration district: Festiniog
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4647
Folio: 53
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Roberts 31 - born: Criccieth, Caernarvonshire 1860
Ellen Roberts 31 - born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire,
David G Roberts 5
Jane Roberts 2
Ellen Roberts 18/12
Ellen L Lloyd 18

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Dec 2015 20:26

working backwards with catherine


???possible

1881 Census

Name: Catherine Roberts
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Roberts
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanihengel, Caernarvonshire, Wales
[Llanfihangel, Caernarvonshire, Wales]
Civil Parish: Llanfrothen
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Creva

Registration district: Festiniog
Sub registration district: Festiniog
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Piece: 5552
Folio: 9
Page Number: 11

Mary Roberts 32 b.ca 1849, Llanihengel, Caernarvonshire, Wales
[Llanfihangel, Caernarvonshire, Wales] , Head, Widow, Farmer's Widow
Catherine Roberts 7
Thomas J. Roberts 3 b.ca 1878, Llanfrothen, Merionethshire
Henry Jones 17 Ag Lab
Jane Roberts 18 Servant (Indoor)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Dec 2015 20:26

IF this is the correct family that I am following, it begs the question of who was Jane's Mother is Mary was a widow back in 1881??????

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Dec 2015 20:28

LLanfrothen is in the Festiniog District

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Dec 2015 20:34

Catherine ............. one Public Family Tree on ancestry has Jane M ...................


who knows where they get that from :-)

Catherine

Catherine Report 16 Dec 2015 20:43

Yes I saw that tree but no real proof of a middle name?


Anyway, following on from the other Jane that I found this is possibly her in 1901????

Name: Jane Roberts
Age in 1901: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanfrothen
Search Photos: Search for 'Llanfrothen' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfrothen
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Occupation: In School
Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Deudraeth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Piece: 5256
Folio: 137
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Jones 49 - CM Ministers Wife
Jane Roberts 13 - In School


...and the rest of her family:-

Name: William Roberts
Age in 1901: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse: Ellen Roberts
Gender: Male
Where born: Criccieth, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanfrothen
Search Photos: Search for 'Llanfrothen' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfrothen
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Occupation: Horse ? Groom
Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Deudraeth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Piece: 5256
Folio: 147
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
William Roberts 41
Ellen Roberts 41
Ellen Roberts 11
Maggie Roberts 8

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Dec 2015 20:55

Catherine ..............

that 1901 Census is the same one that I found for the Jane that I was following!

Catherine

Catherine Report 16 Dec 2015 21:27

Oh, yes so it is Sylviain.

I think the marriage certificate is essential though to see who her father is, so that we can see which 1891 is correct.

So many Roberts in the same area best to be certain.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Dec 2015 21:39

well, it is Wales!!!


my own mother-i-l was a Roberts, so I've been there, done that :-D

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 17 Dec 2015 12:59

Welcome to the Community boards Ann.

(I'll let Ann know how to find her replies) :-)

Ann

Ann Report 18 Dec 2015 13:37

SylviaineCanada - this appears to be the one, my grandparents lived in Pistyll Gwyn, Bontuchel. My father was Edward Henry Atkinson and his brother was called George