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Presumably this is Mary Wright:

28/02/1843 WRIGHT -----
GEORGE WRIGHT/MARY KEPPIE FR349 (FR349) F
ORMISTON /EAST LOTHIAN 715/00 0020 0049


and then the daughter transcribed as Cecil in 1851:

20/10/1844 HORSBURGH EISELL
THOMAS HORSBURGH/MARY KEPPIE FR350 (FR350) F
ORMISTON /EAST LOTHIAN 715/00 0020 0052

Looks like Mary in 1851 - Pauline's Thomas is with his mother and sister in 1851, posted earlier.


Mary Horsburgh
in the 1851 Scotland Census

Name: Mary Horsburgh
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ormiston, haddington
Parish Number: 715
Civil Parish: Ormiston
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County: East Lothian
Address: Little Munays
ED: 2
Page: 13
Household schedule number: 38
LINE: 18
Roll: CSSCT1851_193
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Horsburgh 33
Mary Wright 8 - daughter
Cecil Holsburgh 6 - daughter
James Horsburgh 2 - son
Jean Kappie 17 - niece


The daughter Mary Wright is a bit of a puzzle - illegitimate but with father's surname, maybe??

Is it Thomas that is your direct Ancestor?

Possible marriage for Thomas

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Horsburgh
Marriage year 1844
Marriage date 19 Jul 1844
Marriage place Ormiston,East Lothian,Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Keppy
Place Ormiston
County Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
Country Scotland

thank you very much

Pauline - am not finding the Ancestry tree you refer to, but have found one that shows
Bella Dods b 12th August 1784 in Bowden, Roxburgh, d/o Thomas Dods and Janet Boa. Source Scottish Church records. SP can be manipulated to find the record without using credits.
There is nil else about Thomas but the parents of Janet Boa (bap 1752 Lilliesleaf, Roxburgh) are given as Patrick Boa (bap 1706 Minto, Roxburgh s/o Thomas Boa and Mary Cunningham) and Margaret Duncan m 1731 Bowden

Is Scottish naming pattern going to provide any clues? Possibly not all birth found

Births showing to John and Isabel
Robert 1810 Stow, Midlothian
Thomas 1814 Eddlestone, Peebles
Jean 1816 Peebles

Births showing to a John only so possibly not correct
Isabel 1824 Chrichton, Midlothian
name 1827 Edinburgh died 1827
James 1809 Kirkurd, Peebles
John 1811 Kirkurd, Peebles

Births of children named John Horsburgh (or variant spelling), Peeblesshire and Midlothian, 1780-90:

22/12/1782 HORSBROWGH JOHN
JOHN HORSBROWGH/JEAN LAW FR851 (FR851) M
PEEBLES /PEEBLES 768/00 0030 0347

08/06/1788 HORSBURGH JOHN
ALEXANDER HORSBURGH/ISOBEL GOVEN FR879 (FR879) M
PEEBLES /PEEBLES 768/00 0030 0399

30/12/1787 HORSBURGH JOHN
ROBERT HORSBURGH/JANET THORBURN FR75 (FR75) M
HERIOT (MIDLOTHIAN) /MIDLOTHIAN 688/00 0010 0131

21/10/1787 HORSEBURG JOHN
JAMES HORSEBURG/AGNES NISBET FR369 (FR369) M
PENICUIK /MIDLOTHIAN 697/00 0020 0086

John's death could have been any or none of the larger list I posted earlier, but these are the 1841-51 in the Lothians, so closest to home

8 16/03/1843 HORSBURGH JOHN ----- M ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0510 0222
10 20/07/1848 HORSBURGH JOHN ----- M ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0580 0073
14 29/11/1849 HORSEBURGH JOHN ----- M DIRLETON /EAST LOTHIAN 705/00 0040 0281

EDIT - sort of snap Argyllgran, although I was going to say the Edinburgh ones as it's closer to Ormiston !

So John did die between 1841 and 1851, even if we can't find a record of it.

From Greyghost's list of deaths above, the Dirleton one looks most likely,(if any of them are John's) given that they were in East Lothian in 1841 and 1851 (reposting again here):

29/11/1849 HORSEBURGH JOHN ----- M DIRLETON /EAST LOTHIAN 705/00 0040 0281

There is a death on SP for Isabel Horsburgh, 1860 in Ormiston but no maiden name is given:

1 1860 HORSBURGH ISABELLA F ORMISTON /EAST LOTHIAN 715/00

The death entry should give her parents but if it is the correct Isabel, it doesn't look as if the informant knew her mother's name.

Found 'em in 1841

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
West Byres, Ormiston, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Horsburry Male 57 1784 Scotland
Isabell Dods Horsburry Female 57 1784 Scotland
Thomas Horsburry Male 25 1816 Scotland

Potty's 1851 with occupations. Isabella's pob is shown as Bowden, which is a village 3 miles south of Melrose

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ormiston Wynd, Ormiston, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Isabella Horsburgh Head Widow Female 67 1784 House Servant Bowden, Roxburghshire,
Jean Horsburgh Daughter Unmarried Female 30 1821 House Servant Peebles, Peeblesshire,
Thomas Horsburgh Son Married Male 33 1818 Farm Lab Peebles, Peeblesshire, Scotland

SP only shows two births of an Is*bel* Dod* in Roxburghshire 1780-90.
Neither of them is in Bowden (note spelling - not Rowden):

28/01/1785 DODS ISOBEL
WILLIAM DODS/JANNET PATERSON FR508 (FR508) F
EDNAM /ROXBURGH 788/00 0010 0108

12/01/1786 DODS ISOBEL
JOSEPH DODS/AGNES MCDOUGAL FR265 (FR265) F
STICHILL AND HUME /ROXBURGH 808/00 0010 0508

You may already have this but posting as it gives Isabel's POB:

Name:Thomas Horsburgh
Age:33
Estimated birth year:abt 1818
Relationship:Son
Mother:Isabella Horsburgh
Gender:Male
Where born:Peebles, peeblesshire
Parish Number:715
Civil Parish:Ormiston

Isabella Horsburgh 67 - b Rowden, Roxburgh
Jean Horsburgh 30 b Peebles
Thomas Horsburgh 33
Town:Ormiston
County:East Lothian
Address:Ormiston Wynd
Occupation:Farm Lab

Isabella Horsburgh 67 b Rowden, Roxburgh
Jean Horsburgh 30 b Peebles
Thomas Horsburgh 33

Family Search and Scotland's People have these baptisms for children of a John and Isobel Dodds

Robert Horseburgh
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name Robert Horseburgh
Gender Male
Christening Date 06 May 1810
Christening Place , STOW, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 11 Mar 1810
Father's Name John Horseburgh
Mother's Name Isabel Dodds

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Thomas Horsburgh
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name Thomas Horsburgh
Gender Male
Christening Date 30 Apr 1814
Christening Place , EDDLESTONE, PEEBLES, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 08 Apr 1814
Father's Name John Horsburgh
Mother's Name Isable Dodds

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Jean Horsburgh
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name Jean Horsburgh
Gender Female
Christening Date 19 Apr 1816
Christening Place , PEEBLES, PEEBLES, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 11 Apr 1816
Father's Name John Horsburgh
Mother's Name Isabel Dods

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Not checked on SP

Isabel Horseburgh
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name Isabel Horseburgh
Gender Female
Christening Date 19 Sep 1824
Christening Place , CRICHTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 28 Aug 1824
Father's Name John Horseburgh
Mother's Name Isabel Dodds

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There are also several baptisms showing on Family Search with just Father shown as a John Horseburgh
Edinburgh (1827) and
Kirkurd, Peebles (James 1809, John 1811)

Usually the OPR entry will not give Father's name just that of bride and groom and the officiating clergyman. (Father occasionally shown - as is that of parish of residence),

I think as Londonbelle said, you should tell us how you have got back to Thomas and we'll see if we can help from there.

First port of call for records - is to try Family search which is free but If you are doing any amount of research in Scotland then I would suggest you buy credits for SP - £7 will buy 30 credits. 1 credit will bring you a list of results, up to 25 a page and the 5 credits will allow you to look at the details. 5 credits will also allow you to look at originals of census, which are only available as transcripts elsewhere. Just by looking at the site you will be able to read about what information the various records will show you and you can see examples

SP hasn't got a death in 1845 for a John Horsburgh

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No Date Surname Forename Other Name/Frame No Sex Parish City/County GROSData
1 03/01/1835 HORSBURGH JOHN LOCK HORSBURGH M PITTENWEEM /FIFE 452/00 0040 0468
2 20/03/1837 HORSBURGH JOHN ----- M INNERLEITHEN /PEEBLES 762/00 0050 0291
3 14/06/1837 HORSBURGH JOHN ----- M ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0560 0060
4 21/01/1838 HORSBURGH JOHN ----- M COLINTON (OR HAILES) EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 677/00 0060 0233
5 23/03/1839 HORSBURGH JOHN WM M ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0560 0106
6 28/03/1839 HORSBURGH JOHN ----- M GLADSMUIR /EAST LOTHIAN 708/00 0040 0267
7 16/10/1839 HORSBURGH JOHN JOHN HORSBURGH M DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY CITY/ANGUS 282/00 0270 0198
8 16/03/1843 HORSBURGH JOHN ----- M ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0510 0222
9 03/05/1843 HORSBURGH JOHN JAMES HORBURGH M ST ANDREWS AND ST LEONARDS /FIFE 453/00 0210 0121
10 20/07/1848 HORSBURGH JOHN ----- M ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0580 0073
11 24/02/1852 HORSBURGH JOHN JOSEPH HORBURGH M NEWTON /MIDLOTHIAN 696/00 0060 0279
12 09/07/1854 HORSBURGH JOHN ----- M ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0620 0057
13 19/11/1837 HORSEBURGH JOHN ----- M FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/00 0130 0511
14 29/11/1849 HORSEBURGH JOHN ----- M DIRLETON /EAST LOTHIAN 705/00 0040 0281
15 22/03/1854 HORSEBURGH JOHN ALLAN JAS HORSEBURGH M DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY CITY/ANGUS 282/00 0290 0074
 
 

Thank you
If I buy credits would I be able to get Johns dads name please

Marriage John HorsEburgh to Isabella Dods 4.11.1809
Parish - Temple
City/County Midlothian

16 04/11/1809 HORSEBURGH JOHN ISABELLA DODS/FR2522 (FR2522) M TEMPLE /MIDLOTHIAN

Yes that's the one