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Hi
I have now managed to piece all your information together and it's beginning to make sense at last' Thank you all so much, I really don't know how you do it.
I now need to move forward a couple of generations.I did note that possible living people are not to be placed on this board.
Any further advice on the way forward would be very much appreciated .
Thanks again,
Colin.

Unfortunately, Harold Ernest seems as much of a mystery as when we began!


I just do not seem able to match him up with a father who seems the correct one!

marriage of James R G and Louisa


Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
HARDING James Robert G Hackney 1b 656
THOMSON Louisa Rebecca Hackney 1b 656

this looks as though it is more likely Harry E with father in 1881, rather than the census I posted at 1:50 am


1881 Census

Name: James R .G . Harding
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Louisa R. Harding
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Leyton
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 11 Mornington Terr Union Road <<< image shows 10 Mornington Terrace
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Merchant Chemical
Registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16

Piece: 1727
Folio: 146
Page Number: 25

James R.G. Harding 45
Louisa R. Harding 36 b.ca 1845, Tottenham CT Rd, Middlesex
Fredk.G. Harding 11
Mariam L. Harding 9
Ada L. Harding 6
Selina M. Harding 4
Harry E. Harding 2 b.ca 1879, Lower Clapton, Middlesex
Mabel D. Harding 7 mnths
Mary M. Morris 13



and with his widowed mother in 1891 .............

1891 census

Name: Louisa Harding
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 25

Piece: 1347
Folio: 39
Page Number: 25

Louisa Harding 48 Widow, Monthly Nurse
Frederick G Harding 21
Marian L Harding 19
Ada L Harding 16
Harry E Harding 12 b.ca1879, Hackney, London, Scholar
Mabel D Harding 10
Sydney J Harding 7

Address:- 6 Queens Terrace, London Road, Leyton

and James R G in 1861, with his mother


1861 Census

Name: Amelia P Harding
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: 1811
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsted, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Stepney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 34

Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 293
Folio: 120
Page Number: 23

Amelia P Harding 50
James R G Harding 25 b.ca 1836, Stepney, Colonial Brokers Clerk
Amelia J M Harding 22
Emma E Harding 19
Daniel W Harding 17
Selina B Harding 16
Alfred F Harding 14
Robert H Harding 9
Eliza Evans 19

Address:- 21 & 22 Queen Street, Stepney

as you may gather, I'm footling around trying to get a link between these two fmailies ........... and not getting anywhere fast!!!


This looks like James Robert George with his parents in 1851 Census ............

1851 Census

Name: James Harding
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Amelia P Harding
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Stepney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Upper
ED, institution, or vessel: 36

Household schedule number: 161
Piece: 1552
Folio: 908
Page Number: 36

James Harding 41 Tooth (?????) Manufacturer
Amelia P Harding 40 b.ca 1811, Portsmouth, Hampshire (note added:- Amelia P Fooks)
Jas R J Harding 15 b.ca 1836, Stepney, Middlesex
Amelia P Harding 12
Geoe F Harding 10
Emma E Harding 9
Danh W Harding 7
Selina B Harding 6
Alfred F Harding 4
Robt Fooks 76 b.ca 1775, Buach, Dorset <<<<<< correct to Creech
Elizh Legg 16 Servant

Address:- 21 Queen Street, Stepney

James Robert George Harding was born ca 1835. I wonder if this is his baptism??? ............


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: James Robert George Harding
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1835
Baptism Place: Saint Dunstan,Stepney,London,England
Father: James Harding
Mother: Amelia Priscilla
FHL Film Number: 596913, 596914, 596915, 596916



In 1911, Harry Ernest Harding said he was born ca 1879, Clapton, London, and was a Tram Motorman


I wonder if therefore this is him with his parents in 1891???

1891 Census

Name: James Harding
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Harding
Gender: Male
Where born: Frensham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Hackney St John
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Piece: 185
Folio: 71
Page Number: 79

James Harding 50 Wheelwright
Caroline Harding 38 b.ca 1853, Chertsey, Surrey
Ernest Harding 14 b.ca 1877, Clapton, London
Caroline M Harding 4 b.ca 1887, Clapton
Frank R Harding 1 b.ca 1890, Clapton



This definitely looks like Harry Ernest in 1901 ..........

1901 Census

Name: Ernest Harding
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sth Hackney, London, England
Civil Parish: Bromley
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Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows East India Docks
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 24

Piece: 347
Folio: 128
Page Number: 11
Household schedule number: 55

Samuel Levy 50
Mary Levy 39
Thomas Levy 18
Elizabeth Levy 12
Amy Levy 3
Ernest Harding 24 Omnibus Conductor
George Page 33



???? Harry Ernest's baptism ...

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Harry Harding
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Apr 1877
Father's name: James Harding
Mother's name: Mary Harding
Parish or Poor Law Union: Streatham St Leonard
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-

Born 9 Nov 1876
Father occupation:- Carpenter
Address:- Streatham

?????

Harold Ernest in 1891 with his parents

1891 Census

Name: Harold L Harding
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles Harding
Mother's name: Emma Harding
Gender: Male
Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Streatham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Streatham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Piece: 454
Folio: 71
Page Number: 27

Charles Harding 30 b.ca 1861, Chartridge, Buckinghamshire, Coal Porter
Emma Harding 30 b.ca 1861, Swilland, Suffolk
Charles F Harding 11
Herbert B Harding 9
Harold L Harding 7
Archibald L Harding 5
Amos F Harding 2

Address:- 7 Langroyd (???sp ) Road

Hi all, thank you so much to all you wonderful people that have come up with all this information. It's taking me a bit of time to digest it. I must admit that it is so confusing and I'm wondering if I am tangled up with more than one family of Hardings. They all seem to have the same variations of forenames.
I will do a bit more studying and get back here. Watch this space LOL
Please keep it coming. I did post a thread on the " Find living relatives " board, Looking for Kenneth William Harding and the reason for my search. Please take a look.
Many thanks again.
Colin.

Re the post above from Potty above, the marriage of Ernest James Harding and Emily Caroline Stevens :

Name: Ernest James Harding
Spouse: Emily ?? Stevens
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Jun 1921
Parish: St Pancras Old St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Ernest James Harding
Spouse Father: Walter Thomas Hall
Register Type: Parish Register

Ernest James Harding the groom is an army clothing inspector, his father is also Ernest James Harding a deceased carpenter. Emily was a widow, her father Walter Thomas Hall was a decorator. The page is covered in what looks like ink blots so other details aren't that easy to read, Emily's second name Caroline is mostly covered by one such blot.

The couple both give 28 B????ay St as their address.

There is an Ernest Harding living at 40 Queens St in 1922, but his name is shown as Ernest James and he is living with an Emily Caroline Harding. There is a marriage in 1921 for an Ernest James Harding and an Emily Caroline Stevens in St Pancras.

There is ref in the Army records to the link given by Chris Ho.

Ernest also served in WW1, from 5th Sept 1914 to March 1920. There is a form in his records that gives his address as 10/75 Rochester Place, Kentish Town, in 1920 and another which gives his address as 40 Queens St?, Camden Town in 1921.

There is also a letter from his wife which has a received stamp dated 10th May 1921 and has the Flat 10, 75 Rochester Place address.

His medal card is on Ancestry; he received the 1914 Star with Clasp & Roses, the Victory & British medals.

this could be florence's death

Deaths Sep 1942 (>99%)
Harding Florence L 59 Essex S.W. 4a 146

this looks like harold's birth

Harold Ernest Harding
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name Harold Ernest Harding
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1883
Registration District Wandsworth
County London
Event Place Wandsworth, London, England
Volume 1D
Page 664
Line Number 275

Ernest George Harding in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ernest George Harding
Birth Date: 28 May 1906
Date of Registration: Jan 1984
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Warwick and Leamington
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 31
Page: 643

Emily Winifred Harding in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Emily Winifred Harding
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 8 Sep 1907
Baptism Place: St. Andrew's, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father: Ernest Harding
Mother: Florence Harding

Have you checked 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page, under 'Search') Florence looks to be shared.

(does below relate?)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8024602

Chris :)

According to the 1911 Census Ernest had left the RFA. He and his Family were living at 65 Outram St, Islington, London.

Ernest 27 born Tooting, Surrey occ Stableman N W Railway
Florence 28 born Oxford
Ernest 4 born Newcastle on Tyne
Winifred 3 born Newcastle on Tyne
Harold 1 born Balham

Married 6 years. Three children born to Marriage, all living.

According to Military Records in the name of Ernest Harding he married in the name of Harold Ernest Harding and the Marriage details are the same as those in the 0704 Post above.
Also, according to the same Records there were at least 3 children born to the Marriage as follows:

Ernest George born 28.05.06 Elswick
Emily Winifred born 12.08.07 Elswick
Harold Frederick born 28.02.10 Tooting

Ernest was 18yrs 2mths when he joined The Royal Horse & Field Artillery (Service No
13045/RFA) on 21 Nov 1900 and was born in Tooting Surrey; his occupation prior to joining up was a Carman and he was a Driver in the RFA.

Harry Ernest and Lilian had 2 children in the 1911 Census