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Mystery solved. Its an admin error somewhere. BMD list on here shows the wrong birth year. Got a death certificate for James who died in the right area in 1913 and its is our family.He died aged 20 months of TB. Address matches family's at time and father's name. I :-( Thanks for all the help

I heard back from Find my Past. I am not sure if it was an automated message. Just said can't release under 100 years. Again I pointed out the two I was looking for dobs 1909 and 1911. See what happens.

Just to clarify there is another James Callan born 1911 in the area. However he shows on the census as being son of James Callan & Dorothy. So not our James, but another relative to add to tree, as this is his father is my great uncle

Even members can't look at the record without paying to unlock it. What I meant was that you may not have to buy the death certificate if you were a member (although I may be wrong about that). You could try contacting Findmypast and asking them to clarify the situation.

Kath. x

Thanks Kathleen Bell, no I am not a member. If I joined them all I would be bankrupt. If this is true and any one is a member, please could you have a look for me

If they hadn't actually divorced then she could still claim to be his widow - even if she had changed her name.

I must admit I thought that it was only deaths after around 1990 that you had to provide the death certificate for because they stopped updating the register then. I provided my mother's death certificate from 2003. Perhaps they have had too many requests to open entries and haven't got time to look up the death themselves.

EDIT - are you a subscriber to Findmypast or did you just buy credits? I'm not certain but I think I remember seeing that subscribers don't need to supply death certificates for deaths that show in the indexes (I could be wrong though).

Kath. x

I also don't understand the EMMETT name, when it shows his widow in 1966 is Gwendoline Callan.

Well I paid £6.95 on Find my Past for the 1939 record. Said it showed dates of birth. But that page for them is closed. To open it I have to provide death certificate, to prove dead. I understand people on the page could be living but surely they could show those who must be dead? Or warn you before you pay the money. Not impressed.

Name:Gwendoline Beatrice Callan
Birth Date:14 May 1909
Date of Registration:Jun 1978
Age at Death:69
Registration district:Plymouth
Inferred County:Devon
Volume:21
Page:1894


Andy

Probate


Name:James Callan
Probate Date:30 Jun 1966
Registry:Bodmin
Death Date:31 May 1966
Death Place:Plymouth

Probate to Gwendoline Beatrice Callan, widow


Andy

I think Beatrice Gwendoline (or Gwendoline Beatrice) may have married again (although I can't find a marriage) because there is a record of a Gwendoline B. Emmett (Callan) in Plymouth on the 1939 register with one other person and another who is officially closed. Perhaps she changed her name by deed poll since James seems to still be alive in 1939.

Kath. x

Thanks Kathleen.. on the case now.. you lot are all great.

Argyll Gran, yes I have, and sadly census must have been done before June. But he is 100% one of this family.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
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Burn Beatrice G Smith Devonport 5b 567


Andy

Just for our reference - I know you'll have this, Vivien:

John Callan
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Callan
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brandon, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Coxhoe
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 33 Moor Rowe Kelloe Co Durham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Durham
Registration District Number: 551
Sub-registration district: Durham
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 29989
Household Members:
Name Age
John Callan 35
Jane Callan 31
Matthew Callan 14
John Callan 11
Richard Callan 8
Elizabeth Jane Callan 5
Lily Ann Callan 2
Annie Gilday 21 - servant

Could this be his marriage (with Gwendoline using her middle name first)? :-

First name(s) JAMES
Last name CALLAN
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1933
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JAMES CALLAN married
BEATRICE G BURN
Spouse's last name BURN
District PLYMOUTH
District number -
County Devon
Country England
Volume 5B
Page 636

Possible birth from this marriage:-

First name(s) GWENDOLINE M
Last name CALLAN
Birth year 1940
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name BURN
District PLYMOUTH
County Devon
Country England
Volume 5B
Page 855

There are also a couple of other births that could also be from this marriage, but the one above seems almost certain to be because of the child's name.

Possible marriage for the above daughter:-

First name(s) GWENDOLINE M
Last name CALLAN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1959
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ GWENDOLINE M CALLAN married
GEORGE T TEMLETT
Spouse's last name TEMLETT
District PLYMOUTH
District number -
County Devon
Country England
Volume 7A
Page 1356

There is a member of Genes called William who has George Temlett and Gwendoline Callan in his tree. You could try contacting him to see if he has more information.

Kath. x

I am just working through the deaths Argyll. I found several marriages in the North East. Then spreading the area. The oldest of the family was born 1897, and his descendants have a family tree ( not extensive) without him mentioned. Cousin insisted only 9 in the family, but my dad said 10 and that is what we have found. I am thinking black sheep. Going to put all the info together and see what I can find.

Have you ruled out this death?

Deaths Jun 1966 (>99%)
CALLAN JAMES 55 PLYMOUTH 7A 750

Probate:
CALLAN, James of 3 Oxford Terrace, Plymouth died 31 May 1966 at Greenbank Hospital, Plymouth. Administration Bodmin, 30 June, to Gwendoline Beatrice Callan, widow. £540.


Maybe he didn't die as a child, but became estranged from the family for some reason. I'm sure you've considered this already.

Thanks Argyll Gran - again that's me. I have now most of that ancestry as its quite an old post. On this post I am only looking for my missing uncle from the info given. Really is a mystery as none of relatives in the area have ever heard of him.

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