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Found on Family Free Search 1871 census Index in household of my John Harvey/Harvy and hi wife Eliza living in Poplar London mddx. Last name under their children is a Thomas Hawkins age 18 born Ratcliffe described as John and eliza's nephew? this is new to me. Please could any one see him on 1861 or a baptism i would like to know which side of the family he has come from. Thank you Cheryl

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Harvy Head - Male 35 1836 - Middlesex, England Transcription
Eliza Harvy Wife - Female 34 1837 - Middlesex, England Transcription
Eliza Harvy Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Middlesex, England
John Harvy Son - Male 12 1859 - Middlesex, England
Ann Harvy Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Middlesex, England
Wm Harvy Son - Male 7 1864 - Middlesex, England
M Ann Harvy Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Middlesex, England
Sophia Harvy Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Middlesex, England
Thomas Hawkins Nephew - Male 18 1853 - Middlesex, England

Per above census -
John b Shoreditch an Engineer
Eliza b Commercial Road
Eliza b Stepney
John b Poplar
Ann/William/M Ann b Limehouse
Sophia b Poplar
Thomas Hawkins b Ratcliffe a Labourer


RATCLIFF, a hamlet, a chapelry, and a sub-district, in Stepney and Limehouse parishes, Stepney district, Middlesex. The hamlet lies on the river Thames, .
London borough: Tower Hamlets

so perhaps this baptism?

Name: Thomas Hawkins
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Sep 1853
Father's name: George Hawkins
Mother's name: Eliza Hawkins
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

of 31 Cable Street, George is a Green Grocer

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
43, Broad Street, St George in the East, St George-In-The-East, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Hawkin Head Married Male 48 1813 Chamber... Huntingdonshire, England
Eliza Hawkin Wife Married Female 43 1818 - Huntingdonshire, England
Thos Hawkin Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Lyneal, Middlesex, England

George's occupation reads Tallow Chandler.

George and Eliza were born in Herts I think not Hunts and Thomas' place of birth is a shortened version on the original of St George in the East.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cable Street, Saint George Middlesex Part of Precinct of Wellclose, Saint George in the East, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Hawkins Head Married Male 39 1812 Green Grocer Hertfordshire, England T
Eliza Hawkins Wife Married Female 34 1817 - Hertfordshire, England
Louiza Hawkins Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Hertfordshire, England
George Hawkins Son - Male 1 1850 - St George's, Middlesex, England

George Hawkins in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: George Hawkins - Bachelor Grocer of ? Lower Street
Spouse: Eliza Tidd - Spinster of ditto
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Mar 1842
Parish: St Mary, Islington
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Hawkins - a Farmer
Spouse Father: Charles Tidd - a Farmer
Register Type: Parish Register

Banns were read 13/20/27th February

John Harvey in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: John Harvey - Bachelor an Engineer of 6 ? Took Street
Spouse: Eliza Webb - Spinster of 6 Manchester Terrace
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Aug 1855
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Harvey - Labourer
Spouse Father: Reuben Webb - Labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Banns read August 12/19/26th

Another record shows banns read April 15/22/29th

So is Thomas Hawkins a nephew through a married sister of either John Harvey or his wife Eliza nee Webb? The relationship on census is to the Head of the house but (nephew in law is a mouthful) probably could relate to either.

If his parents were born in Herts I would incline towards the relationship being through John Harvey.

Thank you so much for all this information. This is a bit of a puzzle as the Webb side of the family originated from chelsea, mddx. The Harvey side from Bloomsbury, mddx through to Shoreditch, Limehouse. I will have to go back and check out John's sister Mary Eliza may be she shortened her name to Eliza? Thanks cheryl

John's Harvey's sister is just Mary and i have found her and her husband. So it must be the Webb side? Eliza had 3 sisters a susanna web born 1830 Chelsea, Elizabeth webb born 1832 Stepney and mary Ann born about 1836 possibly whitechapel. May be thomas Hawkin will be a mystery. I can't see the St. George East thomas fitting here yet? Cheryl

Ratcliff is an area which borders St George in the East which is why I thought the baptism MAY be correct.

This looks like Thomas Hawkins in 1881, (with Mother Eliza born Herts) now saying born St George in the East

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
51, Ambler Road, Islington, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Hawkins Head Married Male 29 1852 Warehouseman (Tie & Scarf) St George in the East, Middlesex, England
Annie S Hawkins Wife Married Female 25 1856 - Hertfordshire, England
Eliza Hawkins Mother Widow Female 63 1818 - Harpenden, Hertfordshire, England
Walter J Huckle Cousin Single Male 18 1863 Letter Sorter (Cs) Hertfordshire, England

this thomas hawkins born kensington which is near chelsea


Thomas Hawkins
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name Thomas Hawkins
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1854
Registration District Kensington
County London
Event Place Kensington, London, England
Volume 1A
Page 37
Line Number 37

there is this census 1861




Thomas Hawkins
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Thomas Hawkins
County London, Middlesex
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Sub-District 3 Gray'S Inn Lane
Parish St Pancras
Ecclesiastical Parish Regent Square Church
Registration District Pancras
Age 9
Gender Male
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birthplace Shoreditch
Schedule Type Household

Thank you for that extra info. Gives me something more to check out. Cheryl

if someone can look up the 1861 census i posted might find out who the parents are
i dont have a sub to look it up

Thomas Hawkins

in the 1861 England Census
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Name: Thomas Hawkins
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: Richard Hawkins
Mother's name: Emma Hawkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Regent Square
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: Englan
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Grays Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 104
Folio: 103
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Hawkins 37
Emma Hawkins 34
Thomas Hawkins 9
Mary A Hawkins 2
Emma Hawkins 5