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I am trying to find out the maiden name of Alfred Davies on two births I have looked at on the search for ancestor , I paid the credits but it does not give mothers maiden name , Alfred Davies birth may 26th 1894 and Alfred Davies birth 1895 not sure of month but is the 4th quarter , both births Stoke on Trent . one of them is my grandfather I think , could anyone help please .

These two?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
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Davies Alfred Stoke T. 6b 234 Scan available - click to view

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Births Dec 1895 (>99%)
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Davies Alfred Stoke T. 6b 221


Andy

Have you looked for them on the census? Do you know "your" Alfred's mother's first name?

Kath. x

Could be the second one died soon after birth

Deaths Dec 1895 (>99%)
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Davies Alfred 0 Stoke T. 6b 140


Andy

This might be the other one


Name:Alfred Davies
Age:6
Estimated birth year:abt 1895
Relation to Head:Son
Gender:Male
Father:Robert Davies
Mother:Mary E Davies
Birth Place:Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish:Hanley
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Ecclesiastical parish:Northwood Holy Trinity
County/Island:Staffordshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district:Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district:Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel:17
Neighbors:
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Piece:2601
Folio:91
Page Number:27
Household schedule number:150
Household Members:
Name
Age


Robert Davies 32 Ironmongers Carter
Mary E Davies 33
Sarah S Davies 9 born Shropshire
James H Davies 7
>>>> Alfred Davies 6
Ethel Davies 4
Sarah Sumner 29 Sister in Law (to Robert)

Andy

Thank you , yes got the 1911 census record and was trying to find out when he died , could only find one death for Alfred Davies born in 1894 Stoke on Trent death was October 1969 thought this was him , thanks John .

Sarah in 1901 census might be Sarah Sambrook Davies born Forden reg district.

and Sarah Sumner helps.....

This might be parents marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
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Davies Robert Forden 11b 359
Sumner Mary Eleanor Forden 11b 359



All guess work with out the certs of course

Andy

Where did you get the exact date of birth for the first Alfred Davies?

Kath. x

I got them off here on the search , I paid 5 credits to view each one , I have most of the information of the family just wanted to find out when my Grandfather died and could only find this one Alfred Davies birth year 1894 Stoke on Trent , death 1969 thought this was him , I will go look at the Archives and look at the deaths in the local news paper it will say something in the death notices or funeral arrangements . Thank you for your help John .

to clarify I think 'may 26th 1894' is the date on the death record in the index

which fits with a birth in June quarter


John - you are costing yourself a lot of money for nothing!!

Everything available here or at Ancestry when it comes to the GRO births, marriages, deaths index is available free of charge at

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

except for some later years that are not fully transcribed as yet (and only up to 1980)

That Alfred death is there at freebmd:

Deaths Dec 1969
DAVIES Alfred 26My1894 Stoke/T 9b 1419

for mother's surnames, they only appear in the index after mid-1911

before that, you need the birth certificate to get confirmation of the names of both parents

(unless there are parish baptism records available somewhere on line that name the parents, and someone here will usually be able to tell you about that for any particular area)

Thank you JoonieCloonie , I sometimes go up the national archives in Stoke ,they have all the births deaths and marriage on microfiche and all the local news paper as far back as 1920s ,there is also books for all the electoral registers dating back to 1920s they are similar to census records .

Staffordshire BMDs does give mother's maiden names:

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1894
Surname DAVIES
Forename(s) Alfred
Sub-District Shelton
Registers At Stoke-On-Trent
Mother's Maiden Name SUMNER
Reference SHE/097/097

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1895
Surname DAVIES
Forename(s) Alfred
Sub-District Shelton
Registers At Stoke-On-Trent
Mother's Maiden Name JONES
Reference SHE/101/038

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Thank you Marie , the first one is my grandfather , :-)

Alfred Davies
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name Alfred Davies
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1969
Registration District Stoke On Trent
County Staffordshire
Event Place Stoke On Trent, Staffordshire, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969) 26 May 1894
Volume 9B
Page 1419
Line Number 117

Thank you malyon :-)

yes malyon, I posted that yesterday .................. thanks, once again, for noticing that other people exist .................

and John I believe you had that record anyway since you gave the date of birth taken from it in your opening post?

Yes JoonieCloonie I did ,all I asked for was the mothers maiden name on the 2 birth certificates so I could match the death certificate up with one of them . sorry if I have coursed some unpleasantness , I will be alright now :-(

no prob with you John, you gave the info you had which is what we like to see :-)

(never hurts to say where it came from just in case - some info offered as gospel turns to be pretty weird and wonderful sometimes!)

sometimes we post info that we know the person asking has, just so we can see it in black and white with all the details (like census records)

Luckily someone with more experience than I at hunting up local records (I really should figure out what Ancestry has for starters) ... good for MarieCeleste ... found you exactly what you were looking for!

now just remember not to go paying out good money for free stuff :-)

JC - I believe Ancestry has nothing in the way of local rego office indexes - you should go to:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

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Hfj - I know nothing abt who your gran is - this is just an example from the page of hits in front of me:

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1926
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DAVIES Alfred SHAW Doris Wellington, St Luke Stoke-On-Trent 36/12/059

For a church wedding (rather than a rego office wedding) the church's official register is later deposited in some archive, usually the local records office, and one can see it (or an image of it) there.

The local ref usually has 3 elements:
1) a code identifying the church (or subdistrict for Bs & Ds) - StaffsBMD decodes these for you (not all local indexes do);
2) a sequence # for the register (sequenced within the code);
3) an entry # or page # - usually entry #s are used for marrs (so one can say who wed whom) - here page #s are used for Alfred's birth.

Knowing the entry # makes look up of a marr at the local record office quite easy - rego office m.certs have to be bought from the local office or the GRO.

On FreeBMD, I can click on Alfred's page # and see the other names on his GRO page - e.g.:

Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
Cartlidge Frank Douglas Stoke T. 6b 234
Davies Alfred Stoke T. 6b 234
etc

Here's the corresponding local hits:

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CARTLIDGE Frank Douglas Shelton Stoke-On-Trent WALKER SHE/097/097
DAVIES Alfred Shelton Stoke-On-Trent SUMNER SHE/097/097

so clearly the 3rd element of the local ref isn't an entry # here.

If I click on the "Stoke T" link in the FreeBMD hit, then the more info "here" link, I get:

STOKE UPON TRENT REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Sub-districts : Fenton, Hanley, Lane End, Longton, Shelton, Stoke upon Trent, Stoke Rural.
Registers now held by : Stoke on Trent and Staffordshire (Newcastle).
[plus a list of places in the district]

So it would be fairly easy to guess what the subdistrict code SHE stood for.

:-) Thank you all much appreciated . John