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John Robert Hall and Theodore R Hall

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David

David Report 31 Oct 2015 13:46

I belive that Theodore R Hall may have died in the 1970's rather than later as it seems that gentleman was coloured and does not have a middle name, I have estblished some relations are mentioned on the obituary of John Robert Hall who died in 2002.

David

David Report 30 Oct 2015 17:44

I already had details of Lewis Harold Hall and his elder brothers Michael and Thomas Lancelot 1902-1978 who remained in England and lived in Essex.

David

David Report 30 Oct 2015 17:36

I have noted that Theodore many times however I can clarify that my Theodore was white but today I did find Ted Robert Hall born to Ted Hall and Connie Sette 3 Feb 1939 death Cobb Fulton, Georgia 28 February 1998 as Anthony Sette other information reveals he was also known as Anthony Rob Sette.

He had married 27 August 1971 to Germain H Gaffney at Los Angeles City they divorced in November 1977.

I also found Constance M Sette married Manuel A Rosa 20 March 1974 she was 56 and he 40 at San Luis Obispa California.

Catherine

Catherine Report 30 Oct 2015 17:09

That's interesting.

Name is the same
Date of birth matches but
Mother's name is noted as Francis Ivory
Father's name is noted as Cq hall
and
Race is noted as Black

???????

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Oct 2015 16:42

This is SSDI for the tree entry

Name: Theodore Hall
SSN: 465-05-1348
Last Residence:
60637 Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
BORN: 12 Dec 1918
Died: 11 Mar 1992
State (Year) SSN issued: Texas (Before 1951)

Which matches up with the Social security applications and claims index

Name: Theodore Hall
SSN: 465051348
Gender: Male
Race: Black
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1918
Birth Place: Cameron Mila, Texas
[Chicago, Illinois] 
Father Name: Cq Hall
Mother Name: Francis Ivory
Death Date: 11 Mar 1992
Type of Claim: Original SSN.
Notes: Jun 1937: Name listed as THEODORE HALL
Wrong record!

His birth in England was reg 2nd Q 1918, so assuming his birth was reg within the permitted 6 weeks, his birth would fall anywhere between late Feb - June.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 30 Oct 2015 16:09

I was curious about the double- barreled surname of Alice. There are these records on FreeBMD:

Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%)
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EMERY Alice Lawton Newcastle T. 10b 143

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Deaths Sep 1877 (>99%)
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LAWTON Alice Emery 1 Chester le Street 10a 264

Catherine

Catherine Report 30 Oct 2015 15:28

A tree on ancestry has this for Theodore:-

Birth: 12 December 1918 (12 Dec 1918) - Durham
Marriage: C 1938 - Illinois
Death: 11 March 1992 (11 Mar 1992) - Illinois, USA
Parents: George William Hall, Alice Emery Lawton
Spouse: Connie b.1918 Chicago, Illinois

2 Children:-
Theodore
Thomas

Residence
1 Apr 1940 • Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA

Name Teddie Hall
Event Type Census
Event Date 1940
Event Place Ward 20, Chicago, Chicago City, Cook, Illinois, United States
Gender Male
Age 24
Marital Status Married
Race (Original) White
Race White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birthplace England
Birth Year (Estimated) 1916
Last Place of Residence Same Place
HOUSEHOLD

Teddie Hall Head M 24 England
Connie Hall Wife F 22 Illinois
Teddie Hall Son M 1 Illinois

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 30 Oct 2015 15:21

The California death of Lewis in 1969 gives mother's maiden name Emery:

HALL LEWIS H 07/15/1907 EMERY M ILLINOIS LOS ANGELES(70) 09/21/1969 344-28-4480 62 yrs

From this site:

http://vitals.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ca/death/search.cgi

Catherine

Catherine Report 30 Oct 2015 14:43

The family in 1901
Name: George W Hall
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Alice Hall
Birth Place: Pelton, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Weetslade
Search Photos: Search for 'Weetslade' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Killingworth St John
Town: Dudley
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Longbenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4807
Folio: 93
Page Number: 5
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
George W Hall 24
Alice Hall 22
Michael Hall 9/12
........................................................................

THis is Alice coming back from USA:-

Name: Alice Hall
Birth Date: abt 1879
Age: 29
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 18 Jan 1908
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Ship Name: Celtic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Celtic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 113476

Travelling with:-

Michael 6yrs
Thomas 5yrs
Lewis 4mths

...............................................

Death of Michael:-
Name Michael Hall
Event Type Death
Event Date 11 Jan 1978
Event Place Mcallen, Hidalgo, Texas, United States
Gender Male
Age 77
Birth Year (Estimated) 1901
Father's Name George Hall
Mother's Name Alice Emery Lawton
Certificate Number 03508

Catherine

Catherine Report 30 Oct 2015 14:12

Just for confirmation that this is another son of same couple:-

1911
Name: Lewis Harold Hall
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Farmington Ill, United States
Civil Parish: Pelton
Search Photos: Search for 'Pelton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 19 Ernest St. Pelton S.o. Durham
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Chester le Street
Registration District Number: 554
Sub-registration district: Chester le Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 30100
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wm Hall 35 Occupation: Coal Miner Stone Work (below Ground)
Alid Hall 34
Michael Hall 11
Thomas L Hall 9
Lewis Harold Hall 4

Catherine

Catherine Report 30 Oct 2015 14:10

You probably already have this but here it is anyway:-

Another son travelling to USA with George William Hall (Miner)

Name: Lewis H Hall
Gender: Male
Age: 14
Birth Date: abt 1908
Departure Date: 27 May 1922
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Baltic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Baltic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: White Star Line
Official Number: 118101
Master: F E Beadnell

Name: Geo Wm Hall
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Birth Date: abt 1877
Departure Date: 27 May 1922
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Baltic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Baltic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: White Star Line
Official Number: 118101
Master: F E Beadnell
...

Name: Lewis Harold Hall
Birth Date: 15 Jul 1907
Birth Place: Illinois, USA
Death Date: 21 Sep 1969
Death Place: San Francisco County, California, USA
Cemetery: Forest Lawn Memorial Park (Hollywood Hills)
Burial or Cremation Place: Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California, USA
Has Bio?: N
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-..

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Oct 2015 12:45

What about Theodore's? Do you have a copy of his BC? Although I'd followed various Theo's through, they were all born in the USA.

David

David Report 30 Oct 2015 11:37

Yes the birth of John Robert Hall was 5 May 1916 at Birtley Durham UK.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 30 Oct 2015 11:28

Arrival in Usa has the following:

Alice Hall, 45, housewife
George Hall, 9
John Robert Hall, 7
Theodore Hall, 3

Heading to Canton, Illinois to join husband and father, George Hall, RR#2, Canton.

John Robert Hall

in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Record Image View

View image(s) of the ship

Name: John Robert Hall
Arrival Date: 6 Mar 1923
Birth Date: abt 1916
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: burtley
Age: 7
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cedric
Search Ship Database: Search for the Cedric in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Oct 2015 01:26

So many Theodore or Teddy Halls - its difficult to work out which records are relevant. Do you have his UK BC to give an accurate dob?

Name: Theodore R Hall
Mother's Maiden Surname: Emery
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918
Registration district: Chester le Street
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1032

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Oct 2015 00:57

Is this Theodore?

Name: Teddie Hall
Respondent: Yes
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1916
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Arthington
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 11A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 262
Occupation: Laborer
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 6
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 3rd year
Duration of Unemployment: 130
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in Government work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 32
Income: 385
Income Other Sources: No

Household Members:
Name Age
Teddie Hall 24
Connie Hall 22 - Born Illinois
Teddie Hall 1 - Born Illinois - his 'full' name might be Theodore L Hall Jr born Jun 1939.





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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Oct 2015 00:34

Your tree (?) on Ancestry has John Robert Halls' dob as Birth: 5 May 1916 - Durham. Is this confirmed via a BC or from several of the military or other records you've attached?

Arthington is the 1940 street. They lived in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois

US Public Records Index
Name: John R Hall
Birth Date: 5 May 1916
Address: 8152 Oconnor Dr # O, River Grove, IL, 60171-3200 (1989)

At the same address & 1993
Name: Marie M Hall
Birth Date: 15 Mar 1918
Phone Number: 453-1863
Address: 8152 Oconnor Dr # O, River Grove, IL, 60171-3200 (1989)

Her SSDI
Name: Marie M. Hall
SSN: 353-03-6700
Last Residence:
60171 River Grove, Cook, Illinois, USA
BORN: 15 Mar 1918
Died: Nov 1995
State (Year) SSN issued: Illinois (Before 1951)

You already have his findagrave entry

Name: John R Hall
Birth Date: 5 May 1916
Death Date: 8 Oct 2002
Cemetery: Irving Park Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA
Has Bio?: N

You've got John pretty well covered - what were you hoping to find?

David

David Report 29 Oct 2015 22:42

Looking for John Robert Hall born Birtley Durham UK 1916 and his brother Theodore R Hall born Birtley Durham 1918, sons of George William Hall and Alice Emery-Lawton both brothers emigrated to the US in 1923.

The family settled in the Arthington area of Chicargo.