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16 Oct 2015 12:40 |
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Hi
On ancestry it has a marriage between Thomas Richardson & Margaret Fligg
1918 Canada,
Could some one check it for me to see if they give any details please
I'm only on Premium Thank you
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16 Oct 2015 12:52 |
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Name: Thomas Richardson
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Jul 1918
Event Place: Hespeler, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Birth Year (Estimated): 1885
Father's Name: Alex Richardson
Mother's Name: Eliza Watt
Spouse's Name: Margaret Isabel Fligg
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1899
Spouse's Father's Name: Geo Edward Fligg
Spouse's Mother's Name: Margaret A Richardson
Reference ID: 018333
GS Film Number: 002171007
Digital Folder Number: 005205893
Image Number: 00429
Citing this Record:
"Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:278B-QC6 : accessed 16 October 2015), Thomas Richardson and Margaret Isabel Fligg, 20 Jul 1918; citing registration , Hespeler, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, Archives of Ontario, Toronto; FHL microfilm 2,171,007.
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16 Oct 2015 12:57 |
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Thank you
pity it hasn't got where Margaret Fligg was born
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16 Oct 2015 13:00 |
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view document here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:278B-QC6
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16 Oct 2015 13:02 |
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Name: Margaret Isabella Fligg
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 21 Jul 1898
Event Place: Hespeler, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Registration Year:
Gender: Female
Father's Name: George Fligg
Mother's Name: Margaret Ann Richardson
Reference ID: 307
GS Film Number: 1928126
Digital Folder Number: 004351632
Image Number: 00758
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02285-6
Citing this Record:
"Ontario Births, 1869-1912", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM48-N3T : accessed 16 October 2015), Margaret Isabella Fligg, 1898.
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16 Oct 2015 13:07 |
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http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=112974450&PIpi=83233202
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17 Oct 2015 19:01 |
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Anyone can search 1921 and get images, transcriptions for free, but only via:
http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991
[Don't let Ancestry bounce you to another of their sites]
1921
Name: Thomas Richardson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 36
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birth Place: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Richardson
Father's name: George Flagg
Father Birth Place: Scotland
Mother's name: Margaret Flagg
Mother Birth Place: Scotland
Year of Immigration: 1907
Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish)
Province or Territory: Ontario
District: Nipissing
District Number: 105
Sub-District: North Bay
Sub-District Number: 80
City, Town or Village: North Boy Town Polling Division 10
Street or Township: 57 Maber St
Municipality: Ward 10
Occupation: Machinist
Income: 1??48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Richardson 36
Margaret Richardson 22
George Flagg 67
Margaret Flagg 52
1915 marr of Harold
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:278Z-G4C
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:278Z-G4Z
1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Waterloo South / 20 Hespeler / page 15
22 151 Fligg George M Head M Apr 1854 57
23 151 Fligg Maggie F Wife M Feb 1869 42
24 151 Fligg Harold M Son S Jul 1896 14
25 151 Fligg Esibell F Daughter S Jul 1898 12
26 151 Fligg Albert M Son S Jan 1901 10
27 151 Fligg Ernest M Son S Jan 1906 5
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002033618.pdf
District Name: Waterloo South
Sub-District Name: Hespeler
1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON LANARK (North/Nord) (#80)
Subdistrict: Almonte (Town/Ville) A-5 Page 15
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6477
9 146 Fligg George E. M Head M Apr 17 1854 46
10 146 Fligg Margaret A. F Wife M Feb 28 1869 32
11 146 Fligg William L. M Son S Jun 29 1883 17
12 146 Fligg Joseph H. M Son S Jul 4 1896 4
13 146 Fligg Margaret I. F Daughter S Jul 21 1898 2
14 146 Fligg Albert E. M Son S Jan 15 1901 2/12
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z002/pdf/z000076117.pdf
S2 http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z002/pdf/z000076101.pdf
[P15 L9 addy = 1 Water & John St]
District Name: Lanark North
Sub-District Name: Almonte (Town)
District Name: Waterloo South
Sub-District Name: Hespeler (Village)
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148177-00346.pdf
[Geo 39; Rosine 37; Herbert 18; Geo 15; John 12; Wm 7]
District Name: Durham West
Sub-District Name: Newcastle
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e338/e008442352.pdf
District Name: Durham West
Sub-District Name: Newcastle
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/pdf/4396302_00541.pdf
Province: Canada West (Ontario)
District Name: Durham
Sub-District Name: Newcastle
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4391933_00335.pdf
[Geo Jnr is s/o Geo & Temple]
Image links on next 8 records
4/7/1896 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMWL-T32
21/7/1898 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM48-N3T
15/1/1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM6D-5R7
7/8/1903 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMXH-P84 *
26/1/1906 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMSV-44D *
19/4/1910 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JNY2-SM9 *
1/4/1912 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JD5R-2Q6 *
30/6/1883 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM78-K2G
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Too many Margt Richardsons to trace mum without further details.
Comparing signature with marr, this is our Thos's WW1 attestation:
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc015/606405a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc015/606405b.gif
His n.o.k. is Mrs John McC??? [site just went down] in Newport Mon - maybe a marr'd sis, or a remarr'd mum.
With an R surname, I wouldn't expect his service file to come online for another couple of years.
You might periodically check at:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/search.aspx
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Sylann
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18 Oct 2015 13:03 |
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Thank you for all that
It will give me something to read
It's appreciated
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19 Oct 2015 08:56 |
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I received a pm from Sylann - mainly to thank me, but she did mention 2 new facts:
1) nok on army documents was his cousin John McCauley, think he went to Canada 1910,
[It's a bit ambiguous as to who Sylann thinks went in 1910 - in 1921 Thos said 1907.]
2) Margaret Ann Richardson 1869 Ontario who married George Fligg was in Wellington Center in 1871 aged 2 according to ancestry
[I can confirm this - it's easiest to present my reaearch in chronological order, i.e., backwards]
Marriages Dec 1845 (>99%)
BELL John Weardale 24 381
FRIEND Jane Weardale 24 381
Hardy William Weardale 24 381
Johnson Phoebe Weardale 24 381
PATTERSON Isabella Weardale 24 381
Urwin William Weardale 24 381
Wayper Joseph Weardale 24 381
Wilson Hannah Weardale 24 381
To know who Jos Wayper wed, a local index can remove the guesswork - if one is available - see:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
For Weardale, the one of interest is:
https://gro.durham.gov.uk/pgPublicSearch.aspx
Name: WAYPER, Joseph
Year: 1845
Other index entries for this marriage:
WILSON, Hannah
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXGN-C9B
Wm bp 28/10/1849 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3BG-G2Q
bp 10/11/1850 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXCZ-W74
bp 19/10/1858 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NB1W-XDC
Now:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
then https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1309819
then "browse the images" down the following path:
England, Durham Diocese B...'s Transcripts, 1639-1919 > Durham > Wolsingham > 1833-1854 > Image 115 of 159
http://tinyurl.com/nhvn2ds
England, Durham Diocese B...'s Transcripts, 1639-1919 > Durham > Wolsingham > 1833-1854 > Image 123 of 159
http://tinyurl.com/nmcjfzs
NB A hind is a farm-horse minder
Hamsterley is abt 10km SE of Wolsingham & abt 10km W of Bishop Auckland - it's in Auckland RD.
There is a place called The Grove in Hamsterley Forest - 8km S of Wolsingham:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2388065
*** COULD SOMEONE CHECK 1851 PLEASE ***
I can only see:
Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birthplace Relation Residence
Joseph Wayper Hannah abt 1824 location relation city, Durham
Hannah Wayper Joseph abt 1825 location relation city, Durham
Margaret A Wayper Joseph,Hannah abt 1850 location relation city, Durham
The census ref is:
Class: HO107; Piece 2388; Folio: 451; Page: 16
It seems Ancestry filmed this page twice and transcribed each of their images - the transcriptions differ.
Off to Canada now
Canada West/Ontario census nominal days were 12/1/1852, 14/1/1861.
Canadian census was same nominal date as UK or day after 1871-1901, and 1/6/1911-21
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19 Oct 2015 09:05 |
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Can't get that 1851 census to come up on FindMyPast but here's the Ancestry version:
Name: Joseph Wayper
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Wayper
Gender: Male
Where born: Hamsterley, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Wolsingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornley
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Dan's Castle, Tow Law
Occupation: Lab (coke ovens)
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Weardale
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 1g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Piece: 2388
Folio: 451
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Wayper 27
Hannah Wayper 26 born Wolsingham
Margaret A Wayper 9 Mo born Hamsterley
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19 Oct 2015 13:58 |
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Sorry if I confused you
The nok John McCauley is the one I think went to Canada in 1910
yes Thomas went in 1907.
Now if I've got this right are you saying Margaret Ann Richardson who was in the 1871 census aged 2
Her mother was Margaret A Wayper born abt 1850 and she married a Richardson ?
Thank you for your help
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19 Oct 2015 20:22 |
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Sorry for the delay in the rest of my interrupted post - my son came off the island so we spent the evening together.
Re: "Now if I've got this right..." - yes, you've got it right, but the details were delayed as per above.
Mostly I'm using:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx
However, whenever I can't find someone, or I find too many, I search on Ancestry (as LAC use the Ancestry transcriptions) and then respell stuff - Joshephine springs to mind, or else I add an exact age, or Garafraxa or whatever as a keyword.
1861
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4391573_00667.pdf
Province: Canada West (Ontario)
District Name: Wellington
Sub-District Name: Garafraxa
Another image - same original
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4108429_00630.pdf
1871
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/pdf/4396615_00569.pdf
Province: Ontario
District Name: Wellington Centre
Sub-District Name: Garafraxa West
1881 Census
Name Home in 1881 Birth Year Birthplace View Images
Joshephine Richardson township, Wellington Centre, Ontario 1876 location
Province: Ontario
District Name: Wellington Centre
Sub-District Name: Garafraxa West
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008192172.pdf
District Name: Wellington Centre
Sub-District Name: Garafraxa West
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/pdf/4396615_00565.pdf
Our mob are followed by the Mitchells, then the Blacks
Margt Ann d/o Thos G & Margaret Ann ? of Lot 3 Conc 3 W.G. (West Garafraxa)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM33-XR7 [with image link]
[NB dob matches with 1901 census]
Hannah https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM33-XRH [on same image as Margt]
22/5/1872 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM34-X5T [with image link]
Agnes Matilda d/o Thos G & Margt Ann Wipes [Farmer at L 14 C 1 Nichol Twp]
20/5/1876 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMC8-8HV [with image link]
Josephine d/o TGR & MA Mayper [Farmer back in WG]
10/12/1880 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VNLY-9ZL [with image link]
Christina d/o TGR & MA Wayper [3rd time lucky]
1881
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008192172.pdf
District Name: Wellington Centre
Sub-District Name: Garafraxa West
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDKV-PW1
d 28/1/1883 Thos R; rego'ed by bro Andrew
20/10/1885 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMJN-CT6
[NB I'm guessing one witness is prob the wife of the minister]
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JF3D-C82
d 29/4/1921 Wm John b 28/1/1888
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMWX-T5S
26/1/1890 Emma
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMWS-F5P
26/1/1892 James Wesley
1891
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148179-00090.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148179-00091.pdf
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6KT-8MB
d 26/9/1898 MA Hastings L 1 C 13 West Luther Twp]
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148177-00351.pdf
Province: Ontario
District Name: Waterloo South
Sub-District Name: Hespeler (Village)
1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON WATERLOO (South/Sud) (#122)
Subdistrict: Hespeler (Village) D-1 Page 1
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6503
1 1 Haypes Joseph Jr. M Head M Oct 8 1858 42
2 1 Haypes Margaret F Wife M Feb 6 1862 39
3 1 Haypes Joseph Sr. M Head M Feb 14 1824 77
4 1 Haypes Hannah G. F Wife M Dec 25 1824 76
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z003/pdf/z000111808.pdf
[Says immig 1864 - we know that's not quite right]
S2 http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z003/pdf/z000111803.pdf
[P 1 L 1 addy = Queen & Avenne]
1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON WELLINGTON (South/Sud) (#126)
Subdistrict: Guelph (City/Cité) E-13 Page 3
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6505
39 30 Richardson John G M Head W Oct 12 1840 60
40 30 Richardson Josephine F Housekeeper S May 20 1876 24
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z003/pdf/z000115127.pdf
S2 http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z003/pdf/z000115123.pdf
[P 1 L 40? Suffick St E Past 5 - an odd addy]
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JX6V-8H8
d 2/9/1915 Jos Wayper Jnr
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6QK-69N
d 28/1/1901 HW Nayper[Wayper] Widow
1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Waterloo South / 20 Hespeler / page 1
5 2 Harper Joseph M Head M Oct 1858 52
6 2 Harper Maggie F Wife M Feb 1862 49
7 2 Smith Harry M Servant S Sep 1884 26
8 2 Churchill Wm M Lodger S Sep 1884 26
9 2 Ryder Sussie F Servant S Sep 1885 25
10 2 Wicks May F Servant S Apr 1884 27
11 2 Coackly (?) Lizzie F Servant S May 1892 19
12 2 Doern Arthur M Lodger S Mar 1885 29
13 2 McNeil Wm Son S Sep 1885 25
14 2 Sweeetman John M Lodger M Aug 1851 59
15 2 Scarlett James M Lodger M May 1862 49
16 2 Gordon John M Lodger M Jan 1856 55
17 2 Gordon Mrs F Lodger M Feb 1857 54
18 2 Snidden John M Lodger S Apr 1882 29
19 2 Wright Harry M Lodger S Jun 1861 49
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002033604.pdf
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Home / 1852 / Canada West / Wellington (county) / 371 Garafraxa township / p. 14d, 15a, (29)
20 Richardson, Thomas Farmer Scotland Presbyterian 48 M
21 Richardson, Ann Ireland Presbyterian 42 F
22 Richardson, Mary England Presbyterian 16 F
23 Richardson, Thomas England Presbyterian 14 M
24 Richardson, Agness England Presbyterian 11 F
25 Richardson, William England Presbyterian 9 M
26 Richardson, John Canada West Presbyterian 2 M
27 Richardson, Margaret Canada West Presbyterian 1 F
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1851_pdf/e095/e002371837.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1851_pdf/e095/e002371838.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1851_pdf/e095/e002371839.pdf [page 4 is blank, as usual]
Province: Canada West (Ontario)
District Name: Wellington (county)
Sub-District Name: Garafraxa
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/pdf/4396615_00572.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/pdf/4396615_00573.pdf
[A whole mess of the older Richardsons Thos 66, Jas 64, And 58]
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/pdf/4396615_00565.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008191892.pdf
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDGH-DY8
And d 12/9/1902 b 4/8/1813
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19 Oct 2015 20:28 |
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Thank you again for all your help
Just thought I'd check before I turn off for the night
I'll have a good look at all you have sent me tomorrow
your son came off the island ?? where are you
Many thanks Sylvia
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19 Oct 2015 21:37 |
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Ontario Farmland
Canada had 2 major wars with the US - the War of the American Revolution and the war of 1812-1814. There are 2 major invasion routes into Canada - the New York-Montreal corridor via the Hudson valley-Lake Champlain (tried unsuccessfully by both sides), and into the Niagara peninsula, either at the Niagara end or the Detroit end, and then across SW Ont to Toronto.
The US used this successfilly in 1812-14, leading to the burning of Toronto.
After the war, Canada was keen to populate SW Ontario with farmers who could double as militia if needed. So the land was surveyed as quick as possible and, as soon as the survey was done, it was opened up for settlement. Meanwhile the surveyors moved onto the next bit. The pattern that developed was for the land to be split into townships - 8m x 10m was a typical bigish size, but there's a huge variation. Most twps were split into numbered concession strips, 1.25 m wide, and each strip was split into lots, 0.25 m wide, with roads running between concession strips, and occassionally between lots. These 200ac lots were usually split into two 100 acre lots, each with frontage on a concession road.
Anyway, this piecemeal development leads to piecemeal farm addresses, and one really needs a concession map to sort it out.
http://web.library.mcgill.ca/Countyatlas/searchmapframes.php
There are records for the following in Wellington Co
Last Name First Name County Township Town Occupation Birthplace Full Record
Richardson Wellington Guelph GO
Richardson A. Wellington Garafraxa West GO
Richardson George Wellington Minto GO
Richardson J. Wellington Garafraxa West GO
Richardson J. Wellington Erin GO
Richardson J. Wellington Garafraxa East GO
Richardson J. Wellington Peel GO
Richardson J. Wellington Garafraxa West GO
Richardson J. Wellington Garafraxa East GO
Richardson John Wellington Amaranth GO
Richardson R. Wellington Minto GO
Richardson R. Wellington Garafraxa West GO
Richardson S. Wellington Maryborough GO
Richardson T. Wellington Peel GO
Richardson T. Wellington Garafraxa West GO
Richardson T. Wellington Garafraxa West GO
Richardson Thomas Wellington Nichol Fergus Manufacturer GO
Richardson W. Wellington Nichol GO
Richardson W. Wellington Garafraxa West GO
Richarson W. Wellington Nichol GO
A samall selection:
Full record for Richardson
Title Mrs.
Last Name Richardson
Township Guelph
County Wellington
Atlas Date 1877
Concession and Lot Lot size
VIII-C, 7 100
Last Name Richardson
First Name T.
Township Garafraxa West
County Wellington
Atlas Date 1877
Concession and Lot Lot size
VI, 29 35
Last Name Richardson
First Name T.
Township Garafraxa West
County Wellington
Atlas Date 1877
Concession and Lot Lot size
III, 3 100
Last Name Richardson
First Name Thomas
Business Manufacturer
Post Office Fergus
Town Fergus
Township Nichol
County Wellington
Atlas Date 1877
http://web.library.mcgill.ca/Countyatlas/Images/Maps/TownshipMaps/weli-m-garafraxa-w.jpg
[No compass rose present - N is top right corner of map]
NB Some Mitchells are at L 9/10 Con 3 & some Blacks at L 10 Conc 3
Note T is next to W, across from J, and kitty-corner to A.
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MC - Thanks for providing Durham 1851
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