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have I got myself into an awful mess ?
1881 - John Smith 47 b chapel end, nuneaton
Lydia R 42 and children William 16, Richard 12, Hannah H 9,
Christopher 7 and Henry W 4

1871 - John Smith (51 on census but writing unclear)
Rebecca 30 and children Sarah Jane 8, William 6, Mary 4,
and Richard 2.

1861 - John Smith 27
Rebecca 27 and Richard Wilson 8 wife's brother. (Marriage John Smith
and Rebecca Lydia WilsonRebecca b1838 Nuneaton F William M Sarah

1851 (John Smith as abiove at home before marriage)
John Smith 40 n. Nuneaton
John son 17
Sarah 13
Hannah 11
All above census were Nuneaton residences.

Then

1841 John Smith 30
Hannah wife 25
John son 7
Sarah dau 3
Hannah dau 1

I then looked for Rebecca Lydia in 1851 before her marriage:

1851 Abbey St Nuneaton
William Wilson 43
Sarah 38
Mary 21
Lydia R 12
Alice 10
William 11
Anne 2
Joseph 3 mths

1841 Abbey St Nuneaton
William Wilson 30 ??
Mary 11
Ann 5
Lydia 2

I have been unable to find the marriages for John Smith and Hannah ? or William Wilson and Sarah ? - unfortunately all being such common names. Also a wife for William Wilson seems to be missing on 1841 census - is Sarah his second wife ??

My big problem is - as Rebecca Lydia/ Lydia R seems to use either name, have I in fact got the correct person? Is Rebecca Lydia and Lydia R one and the same or two different people?

Thank you for having the patience to ready through this. Any thoughts/opinions would be welcome.

Margaret, where have you been looking for the marriages of John & Hannah and William & Sarah, as they're obviously pre 1837 going by children's ages on 1841 census.

Forenames do interchange so she could be one and the same - what certificates do you have for confirmation?

I have looked for the marriages on Ancestry - Warwickshire Parish Records but could only guess roughly what year going by the ages of their eldest children. Unfortunately I do not have certificates as I can no longer afford to keep purchasing them. I would love to purchase more certificates but it is not possible to buy them all. Thanks for trying

Just for ref


Name:John Smith
Age:Full Age
Spouse Name: Rebecca Lydia Wilson
Spouse Age:Minor
Marriage or Bann Date:17 May 1859
Event Type:Marriage
Parish:Nuneaton
Father Name:John Smith
Spouse Father Name:William Wilson

John Smith and both fathers are Cordwainers,




Andy

Possible for John Smith and Hannah.

Bulkington is next door tho Nuneaton.

Name:John Smith
Spouse Name:Hannah Cadman
Marriage or Bann Date:30 May 1830
Event Type:Marriage
Parish:Bulkington


Andy

Thank you Andrew. I have made a note of this as a possibility.

The FMP/FS transcription for 1871:

John Smith Head M 37 Hartshill, Warwickshire
Rebecca Smith Wife F 32 Nuneaton, Warwickshire
John Smith Son M 9 Nuneaton, Warwickshire
Sarah Jane Smith Daughter F 8 Nuneaton, Warwickshire
William Smith Son M 6 Nuneaton, Warwickshire
Mary Smith Daughter F 4 Nuneaton, Warwickshire
Richard Smith Son M 2 Nuneaton, Warwickshire
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5BH-YRQ

Baptism for Rebecca:


William Wilson
mentioned in the record of Rebecca Lydia Wilson
Name William Wilson
Gender Male
Wife Sarah
Daughter Rebecca Lydia Wilson
Other information in the record of Rebecca Lydia Wilson
from England Births and Christenings
Name Rebecca Lydia Wilson
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 Oct 1842
Christening Place NUNEATON,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date 27 Aug 1838
Father's Name William Wilson
Mother's Name Sarah



Her sister Alice baptised the same day:


Alice Wase Wilson
England Births and Christenings
Name Alice Wase Wilson
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 Oct 1842
Christening Place NUNEATON,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date 29 May 1840
Father's Name William Wilson
Mother's Name Sarah


NOTE MIDDLE NAME WASE!



Possibly sister Ann (with mother Sarah Wase)


Ann Wilson
England Births and Christenings
Name Ann Wilson
Gender Female
Christening Date 19 Jun 1836
Christening Place COTON ROAD WESLEYAN,CHILVERS COTON,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date 15 May 1836
Father's Name William Wilson
Mother's Name Sarah Wase



Can't see a marriage for Sarah Wase and William Wilson

(if relating below)

Chris :)

Shropshire marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) William
Last name Wilson
Marriage year 1834
Marriage date 15 May 1834
Marriage place Madeley
Denomination Anglican
Residence Madeley
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Wase
Spouse's residence Madeley
County Shropshire
Register date range 1813-1835
Archive reference P180/A/3/6
(Wits. Jos? Wase, Jane Wase)

Thank you so much for your replies. Unfortunately my computer 'died' and I have had to have it seen by an expert and it changed from XP to Windows 7 so have been unable to answer you. Thank heavens I had backed up my family tree to disc because it has been lost with everything else !! . It is nearly back to normal now so hopefully I won't have any more problems. Apologies for the delay in replying.