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gosh thanks to all replys I now from betsy/henry .she died a day befor or after her 1/2 yr daughter died henry then wed Isabella and went to live in ewell with his remaining 2 sons they don't seem to have any children togather but I suspected that Isabella had some from her wed to samual newton I cant find a death for him and exhausted myself looking any kids they hd Isabella was it seems Mathews befor her wed I think there could have been a divorce of her 1st marriage they lived at the same address as Charles/henry and ivy did after their wed so the connection is real I believe I just cant find out if henry/Charles and ivy had any kids and have spent a fortune looking lol I have relatives of henrys mother who wed after his dad died im related to her second marriage Charles did not live with her as far as we know after she wed he stayed with his paternal g/parents betsy/henrys son Edward died during ww1 haven't got any info on other son thanks again and your replies have given me a little more enthusiasum to con tinue

http://www.epsomandewellhistoryexplorer.org.uk/WarMemorialsSurnamesI.html

(above relates to a Henry/Betsey Jane)

Chris :)


Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1896

IMBER * Henry SPAREY Betsy J Sherrington, SS Cosmas & Damian History Centre C28/1/66


Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1905

IMBER * Henry MATTHEWS Isabella Lacock, St Cyriac History Centre C41/1/434
IMBER * Henry NEWTON Isabella Lacock, St Cyriac History Centre C41/1/434


http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(from above link, if anything else relating)


Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1888

NEWTON Samuel T MATTHEWS Isabella Chippenham Register Office or Registrar Attended History Centre RO/7/53


Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1889

NEWTON Beatrice I Chippenham History Centre (Mother Maiden Name) MATTHEWS CHIP/27/266

I'll let Sandra know how to find her replies.... :-)

Beatrice Isabel and Elizabeth Mary Newton's father was Samuel Thomas Newton.

Samuel Newton in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name:Samuel Newton
Registration Year:1858
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Great Boughton
Inferred County:Cheshire
Volume:8a
Page:320

This is possibly Beatrice's marriage and sister Elizabeth Mary is one of the witnesses.....

Beatrice Isabel Newton in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Beatrice Isabel Newton (Spinster)
Estimated birth year:abt 1889
Age:24
Spouse: Edwin John Dexter (Bachelor) Porter
Spouse Age:19
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:26 Jul 1913
Parish:Emmanuel, Camberwell
Borough:Southwark
Father Name:Thomas Newton (Clerk) Deceased
Spouse Father:George Dexter (Bricklayer)
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: Elizabeth Mary Newton and Sidney Herbert White



Elizabeth Mary Newton in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name:Elizabeth Mary Newton
Registration Year:1891
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Wandsworth
Inferred County:London
Volume:1d
Page:683

Welcome to the boards Sandra.

The best way to go would be to purchase a copy of Ivy's birth certificate.

The best place to order certs online is here........

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Beatrice is a candidate as she is still single in 1911

Beatrice Newton in the 1911 England Census
Name:Beatrice Newton
Age in 1911:22
Estimated birth year:abt 1889
Relation to Head:Servant
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Ham, Wiltshire, England (Chippenham, Wiltshire on the image)
Civil Parish:City of London
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:Salisbury Hotel, Salisbury Sq E C
Marital Status:Single
Occupation:HOUSEMAID HOTEL
Registration district:London City

Beatrice Newton 22


Beatrice Isabel Newton in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Beatrice Isabel Newton
Registration Year:1889
Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:Chippenham
Inferred County:Wiltshire
Volume:5a
Page:76

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Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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Matthews Isabella Chippenham 5a 129
NEWTON Samuel Thomas Chippenham 5a 129


Andy

and 1891. Could one of the daughters be the mother of Ivy?


Name:Isabella Newton
Age:28
Estimated birth year:abt 1863
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:Samuel T Newton
Gender:Female
Where born:Lacock, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish:Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district:Wandsworth
Sub registration district:West Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel:55
Neighbors:
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Piece:438
Folio:18
Page Number:29
Household Members:
Name
Age


Samuel T Newton 33 Telegraphist, GPO
Isabella Newton 28
Beatrice L Newton 2
Elizabeth M Newton 2/12

Andy

Isabella in 1901. A Nurse at the Asylum, married.


Name:Isabella Newton
Age:37
Estimated birth year:abt 1864
Relation to Head:Nurse
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Lacock, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish:Roundway
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Ecclesiastical parish:St James
Town:Roundway
County/Island:Wiltshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district:Devizes
Sub-registration district:Devizes
ED, institution, or vessel:Asylum
Neighbors:
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Piece:1926
Folio:175
Page Number:39
Household schedule number:1


Andy

Isabella's maiden name was Newton.

Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
IMBER Henry Chippenham 5a 127
Newton Isabella Chippenham 5a 127

so perhaps Isabella had a daughter when she was very young, who in turn was Ivy's mother.

(i.e. Ivy is Isabella's granddaughter, not Henry's)

1901

Henry Umber Head M 33 Warminster, Wiltshire << ASYLUM ATTENDANT (LUNATIC)
Betsey J Umber Wife F 26 Codford, Wiltshire
Alfred C Umber Son M 3 Sherrington, Wiltshire
Helen L Umber Daughter F 1 Sherrington, Wiltshire

Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Potterne, Wiltshire, England
County Wiltshire
Civil Parish Potterne
Ecclesiastical Parish Potterne St Mary The Virgin
Sub-District Lavington
Registration District Devizes
Residence Note Crown Place

But Henry and Isabella's unmarried daughter would be an Imber, not a Newton.

ivy's parents might not have been married could have been a child born to henry and isabella's daughter

Births Sep 1910 (>99%)
NEWTON Ivy L Epsom 2a 33

This appears to be poor Isabella? Maybe it's not her? The poor woman was very troubled. Described as being demented, muttering to herself and frequently trying to undress, she was also violent to other inmates and had a very bad memory.


London, Bethlem Hospital patient admission registers and casebooks 1683-1932 Transcription

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First name(s) Isabella
Last name Imber
Occupation None
Age 45
Residence Croydon Union Infirmary
Role Patient
Event year(s) 1904-1914
Admission year 1904
Discharge year 1914
Photograph Yes
Hospital Warlingham Park
Series Female patient casebooks covering the dates 1903 to 1913
Type Female patient casebook
Year range 1903-1904
Page 97
Record set London, Bethlem Hospital patient admission registers and casebooks 1683-1932
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Hospitals

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Cottage Road West Ewell Epsom, Ewell, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Henry Imber Head Married Male Asylum Attendant 43 1868 Warminster Wiltshire
Transcription
Isabella Imber Wife Married Female - 47 1864 Lacock Wilts
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Alfred Charles Imber Son - Male School 13 1898 Sherrington Wilts
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Harry Imber Son - Male - 9 1902 Potterne Wilts
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>>Ivy Lilian Newton Granddaughter - Female - 1 1910 West Ewell Surrey

Were there two Ivys? It's not a common name.


England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) IVY L
Last name IMBER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1940
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ IVY L IMBER married
GEORGE W STEVENTON
Spouse's last name STEVENTON
District BRIGHTON
District number -
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 2B
Page 952


The marriage you know about.


First name(s) IVY L
Last name IMBER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1938
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ IVY L IMBER married
HENRY C WICKHENS
Spouse's last name WICKHENS
District SURREY MID EASTERN
District number -
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 751

an elderly relative is longing to find info about her half brother born in Lambeth/Battersea in 1912 who died in 1998 he was named Charles henry wickhens but the surname was spelt wrongly it should have been wickens he wed ivy imber in 1938 they were living in west ewell at that time I can trace the imbers back some but ivy seems to be a mystery ivy lilian was a 1yr old in the 1911 census but had the name newton the family were living at the same address as the one named on the wed cert of ivy and charles