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John Turley Warrell married Sithey (who on 1881 census is Lizzie) Schofield. 26 January 1891 at St Peters, Blackley, Manchester. Details on page 210 of marriages after banns, for the area. Can anyone please decipher John's father's name? It is Jason …. something, but not Warrell. Transcript suggests Mansell, but that doesn't look right. I can't find John anywhere either on previous census etc so I would be grateful for any and all help on this one!!!!! Cheers
Eunice ;-)

Looks like Worrall to me
Why wouldn't it be ?

1881

Jason Worrall 38 - FISHMONGER - Lancaster
Margaret Worrall 36
Mary E. Worrall 12
John F. Worrall 10 ( F could be a T)
Jason W. Worrall 8
George D. Worrall 6
Fred K. Worrall 4
Thomas E. Worrall 1

it just looks different to the other Warrell …. I have found other record saying that it IS, but I still can't find him, nor John, pre or post wedding. Sythe, Sithey, Tithey, Lizzie …… these are all names of Miss Schofield … who also disappears …sigh.

Or is this him ?

1871

Name:
John T Worrall

Age:11
Estimated birth year:abt 1860

Relation:Son

Father's name:Jason Worrall

Mother's name:Margaret Worrall

Where born:Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:Wardleworth

Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary

Town:Rochdale


Jason Worrall 26 - Fishmonger - Manchester
Margaret Worrall 25 - Ireland
John T Worrall 11 -
Margaret Bagnell 28

Thanks. This probably is them, he is a fishmonger, as was John Schofield so I suppose they knew each others families from Smithfield Market. John F/T is about right age too. I typed in Worrall earlier this evening, but this never appeared (on ancestry). I must see if they emigrated or something , next..

we are leap frogging each others answers Mike! John T would be born c 1871

Strange.

The John T in 1871 can't be your man.
Though why would they have 2 sons called John ?


Births Jun 1870
Worrall John Turley - Rochdale 8e 71

I think the age on 1871 must be wrong.
His parents would only be aged 14 and 15

hahaha well I have found them now! He varies between John T and John F, Lithey is back to Sithey, as is her daughter, and by 1911 Sithey is Titley! But y then they are living at Bluestone Farm. Hallelujah! I have a link, my late other born 1914, told me of a family connect to Bluestone Farm but could not remember whom ….
Thank you for your help. :-)

and Jason's wife's maiden name was ……. TURLEY!

For image link:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMB4-4PY

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WORRALL John Turley Wardleworth Rochdale TURLEY W/37/146

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1868
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WORRALL Jason TURLEY Margaret Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library MCR_RM/67/80

1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXJ-LCPS
Jason Worrall Head M 38 Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Margaret Worrall Wife F 36 Ireland
Mary E Worrall Daughter F 12 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
John F Worrall Son M 10 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Jason W Worrall Son M 8 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
George D Worrall Son M 6 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Fred K Worrall Son M 4 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Thomas E Worrall Son M 1 Rochdale, Lancashire, England

1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZPN-DQT
Jason Worrall Head M 26 Manchester, Lancashire
Margaret Worrall Wife F 25 Ireland
John T Worrall Son M 11 Rochdale, Lancashire
Margaret Bagnell Servant F 28 Ireland

1861 Census
Piece: RG9/2950 Place: Market Street -Lancashire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas
Folio: 25 Page: 38 Schedule: 197
Address: 118 Red Bank
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WORRALL Ellen Head W F 40 Tender & Minder Lancashire - Manchester
WORRALL Jno Son U M 20 Packer Lancashire - Manchester
WORRALL Jason Son U M 18 Brush Maker Lancashire - Manchester