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Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1896 to 1899
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
STANLEY Arthur Watson WYNN Lily Helena Wirral, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Wirral WW/3/185

Marriages Mar 1899 (>99%)
Stanley Arthur Watson Wirral 8a 617

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1899q2 STANLEY Thomas Birkenhead Wirral BIR/200/16
1902q1 STANLEY Zinah Birkenhead Wirral WYNN BIR/212/4
1904q3 STANLEY Lily May Tranmere Wirral TRA/88/72
1909q1 STANLEY Edna Tranmere Wirral WYNN TRA/103/11
1909q1 STANLEY Phyllis Tranmere Wirral WYNN TRA/103/11
1911q2 STANLEY Frederick Tranmere Wirral WYNN TRA/110/41
1911q2 STANLEY George Tranmere Wirral WYNN TRA/110/41
1915q4 STANLEY Leonard Tranmere Wirral WYNN TRA/124/98 [GRO has Wyn]

NB Re 1911 census - Ancestry transcibes the twins as Lice & George - there's a user correction of Lice to Fred

*** IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW MANY KIDS DIED BY 1911 ***

Cheshire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
1904q4 STANLEY Zinah 2 Tranmere Wirral TRA/53/50
1909q4 STANLEY Phyllis 0 Tranmere Wirral TRA/62/10
1909q4 STANLEY Edna 0 Tranmere Wirral TRA/62/11
1915q4 STANLEY Leonard 0 Tranmere Wirral TRA/74/39

Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
WYNN Lily Eleanor Wrexham 11b 343

North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WYNN Lily Eleanor Wrexham Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) WM/054/4


1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQWJ-6QQ
1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5PL-TMP

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WATSON Arthur Birkenhead Wirral BIR/23/11

1841 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7M1-76J

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1839q4 WARING Matthias Birkenhead Wirral BIR/2/36
1844q4 WARING Jane Birkenhead Wirral BIR/6/54

Neithor of these is our lass:
Deaths Jun 1853 (>99%)
Waring Jane Wirral 8a 287
Deaths Dec 1853 (>99%)
Waring Jane Wirral 8a 270

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
WARING Jane 0 Woodchurch Wirral WOO/3/82
WARING Jane 1 Neston Wirral NES/3/90


Whether this 1831 Bidston marr is relevant, I don't know:
Field Name Field Value
KEYCODE BIDSM00700613.10048
PADVER bidsM0613.1
PARISH_CODE BIDS
TAGGED 0
DATED 8310926
GROOM_FNAME JOHN
GROOM_SNAME WARING
GROOM_RESID BIDS
GROOM_SIGN X
BANNS BS
BRIDE_FNAME ELIZABETH
BRIDE_SNAME BENNET
BRIDE_RESID BIDS
BRIDE_SIGN X
W_FNAME_1 WILLIAM
W_SNAME_1 HALEWOOD
W_FNAME_2 WILLIAM
W_SNAME_2 DICKENSON
C_FNAME J
C_SNAME GATE
ADDITIONAL_INFORMATION C
http://cgi.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/

I don't have the right sub to see this bit of piece 2175 in 1851
Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birthplace Relation Residence
Elizabeth Warring abt 1813 location relation city, Cheshire
George Warring Elizabeth abt 1838 location relation city, Cheshire
Matthias Warring Elizabeth abt 1840 location relation city, Cheshire
Jane Warring Elizabeth abt 1845 location relation city, Cheshire
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG29-P5X

and again in rg9/2643 in 1861
Elizabeth Waring 1813 city, Cheshire, England relation city, Cheshire
George Waring Elizabeth 1837 city, Cheshire, England relation city, Cheshire
Mathias Waring Elizabeth 1840 city, Cheshire, England relation city, Cheshire
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7GS-Y6H

Just to help me get this straight:

Mia's nan d/o Thomas Stanley & Edith Waring
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Thomas Stanley s/o Arthur Watson Stanley & Lily Helena Wynn m1899
- Arthur Watson Stanley s/o ?
- Lily Helena Wynn (1878- ) d/o Thomas Wynne & Elizabeth ?Roberts? m1874
- - Thomas Wynn s/o ?
- - Elizabeth ?Roberts? d/o Esther ?Edwards?
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Edith Waring (1904- ) d/o Thomas George Waring & Mary Jane Hanley m1895
- Thomas George Waring (1872- ) s/o Mathias Waring & Johannah Hanlin m1872
- - Mathias Waring (1839- ) s/o Elizabeth ?Waring?
- - Johannah Hanlin d/o ?
- Mary Jane Hanley d/o John Hanley & Mary ?


The rest is a bit disorganized - comes from following so many folk

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891 to 1895
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WARING Thomas George HANLEY Mary Jane Birkenhead, St Mary Wirral BK8/15/287

Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)
Waring Thomas George Birkenhead 8a 782



Cheshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1876 HANLEY Mary Birkenhead Wirral BIR/107/61
1877 HANLEY Mary Birkenhead Wirral BIR/109/92



Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1928
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HOPKINS John Albert STANLEY Lily May Birkenhead, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Wirral BW/142/9

Marriages Jun 1928 (>99%)
Stanley Lily M Hopkins Birkenhead 8a 1366



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WARING * Matthias HANLIN Johanna Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/59/286
WARING * Matthias HANLON Johanna Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/59/286
WARING * Matthias RICHARDS Johanna Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/59/286

Marriages Mar 1872 (>99%)
Hanlin Johanna Liverpool 8b 238
Waring Matthias Liverpool 8b 238



Cheshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1872 WARING Thomas George Birkenhead Wirral BIR/91/41
1877 WARING Mary Ann Birkenhead Wirral BIR/109/15



1891 [rg12/2889/98/15-16]
Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birthplace Relation Residence View Image
Peter Durham Margaret abt 1855 city, Kent, England Head city, Cheshire
Margaret Durham Peter abt 1860 Ireland relation city, Cheshire
Nellie Durham Peter,Margaret abt 1887 city, Cheshire, England relation city, Cheshire
Margaret Durham Peter,Margaret abt 1889 city, Cheshire, England relation city, Cheshire
John Hanley abt 1837 city, Cheshire, England Boarder city, Cheshire
Mary Jane Hanley abt 1877 city, Cheshire, England Servant city, Cheshire



Cheshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1897q2 WARING Clara Birkenhead Wirral BIR/191/56
1900q2 WARING Florence Birkenhead Wirral BIR/204/96
1904q1 WARING Edith Birkenhead Wirral HANLEY BIR/221/3
1905[06q1] WARING George Birkenhead Wirral HANLEY BIR/229/2
1908q2 WARING May Birkenhead Wirral HANLEY BIR/239/77
1910q2 WARING Elizabeth Birkenhead Wirral HANLEY BIR/247/60
1912q3 WARING Frederick Birkenhead Wirral HANLEY BIR/257/43
1913q4 WARING Charles Birkenhead Wirral HANLEY BIR/263/21

Two notes abt this set of local indexes - it is indexed by year of birth, not qarter of registration. One has 6 wks to rego a birth, so it's not unusual for a birth to be rego'ed in the next quarter, which would be another year for a late Dec birth (which was probably the case for George).
Secondly, one sometimes needs to match up the GRO index with the local index.
Here we have an example - we want the Birkenhead Florrie

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WARING Florence Birkenhead Wirral BIR/204/96
WARING Florence Tranmere Wirral TRA/76/36

But the GRO just shows 2 Birkenhead rego's in difft quarters which is ours?
On FreeBMD, one can click on the page link to see other names indexed to the same GRO page - here I've just included one of the 10, and I've appended the ChesBMD ref to it:
Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
Oxton Nora Lee Birkenhead 8a 542 TRA/76/38
Waring Florence Birkenhead 8a 542

Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
O'Hare Agnes Birkenhead 8a 528 BIR/204/95
WARING Florence Birkenhead 8a 528

The local ref typically has 3 elemnts:
1) a code identifying the subdistrict ehere the rego took place for Bs & Ds, or the set of rego's containing the marr (typically a church code);
2) a register sequence # within the above set;
3) an entry #, or a page # within that rego - Bs, Ds & church marrs have 500 entries the registrar's marr rego often has 200 entries.
Local rego's allways have 5 entries per page for Bs & Ds, and 2 entries per page for Ms.
Since none of the 8 Waring-Hanley Bs has a last element exceeding 100, it looks like the last element is a page # in this subdistrict.
Entry #s on the same GRO page can differ by 10 at this time, and these can occupy parts of 3 adjacent local pages, as happens in our Tranmere example.

Usually, an entry # is used for marrs, so one knows who wed whom.
However, even when only a page # is given, it can be useful to look it up, e.g.:

(Using another site gatewayed via http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd )
North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1874
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WYNN Thomas Match Possible Spouses Wrexham, Civil Marriage Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) WM/016/78
EDWARDS Catherine WM/016/78
JONES John WM/016/78
ROBERTS Elizabeth WM/016/78

Here's a couple of adjacent pages from the GRO index:

Marriages Mar 1874 (>99%)
JONES Catherine Wrexham 11b 419
Jones William Wrexham 11b 419
>>Roberts Elizabeth Wrexham 11b 419
>>WYNN Thomas Wrexham 11b 419
------------------
>>Edwards Catherine Wrexham 11b 418
Hanmer Georgina Wrexham 11b 418
>>Jones John Wrexham 11b 418
WALLACE William Wrexham 11b 418

We see the local and GRO pages are misaligned here - which can happen if the total number of marrs in the registrar's own rego in previous quarters was an odd number.
So the misalignment sorts out the two pairs of spouses, and Thomas Wynn wed Elizabeth Roberts - Eliz could be a widow, so Roberts might not be her maiden surname.

Thank you so much xx

I think some of Mia's information on the Warings skips a generation.

From the information found above I get that

Edith Waring born March 1st 1904, baptised 3rd April 1904 Birkenhead -parents were Thomas George Waring and Mary Jane Hanley.

Edith's baptism states born 1st March 1904- this fits with her death:

name(s) EDITH STANLEY
Gender Female
Birth day 1st March 1904
Death quarter 3
Death year 1985
District BIRKENHEAD
Register number 985
County Cheshire
Volume 37 Page 661

Edith's Parents, Thomas George Waring and Mary Jane Hanley married in 1895. On the marriage certificate Thomas listed his father as Matthius Waring.

Thomas George Waring (1872- 1953), was the son of Matthius Waring and Johanna Hanlin (they married 1872 Liverpool).

Start with what you know, and where possible obtain certificates to confirm.

Older relatives are a mine of information, but sometimes things get confused.

For Edith's family, her DC would give her dob. Bear in mind that the information dies depend on the informants knowledge. Sometimes they give a wrong year of birth. presumably you already have a copy of her MC. Fathers occupations and the names if the witnesses can help find their families.

If the 1904 birth reg is correct, then you might consider purchasing it. That would confirm her mothers maiden name + her fathers occupation. That will help to confirm if the 1911 census is the right one.

Never thought doing a family tree would be so confusing lol xx

Just trying to get my head around the Warings.

Edith Waring b 1904 Birkenhead, mmn Hanley

Her parents??
Mary Jane Hanley (c1873) m Thomas George Waring (c1876) in 1895

Mary Jane Hanley’s father named as John Hanley on her MC.
…………
But then we have a Johanna Hanlin m Matthias Waring in 1872
(Mia thought Edith's mother was Johanna)
She may have been a widow as her father is named as Thomas Richards. Alternatively he was her step-father.
………..

Sooo…Different families or have the memories of Mia’s relatives got muddled?

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) Matthias
Last name Waring
Name note -
Marriage year 1872
Marriage date 03 Mar 1872
Marriage place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Waring
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Johanna
Spouse's last name Hanlin
Spouse's age 0
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Richards
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Place Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7, Elizabeth Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mathias Waring Head Married Male 39 1842 Bricklayers Labr Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Johannah Waring Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Clara Waring Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Thomas G Waring Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Elizabeth Waring Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Martha J Waring Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910 Transcription
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First name(s) Mary Jane
Last name Hanley
Age 22y
Marriage year 1895
Marriage date 26 Aug 1895
Marriage place Birkenhead
Parish St. Mary
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas George
Spouse's last name Waring
Spouse's age 19y
Bride's father's name John Hanley
City or town Birkenhead
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 5 p 144
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish marriages 1538-1910
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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Just in case the Waring 1911 census is correct:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Thomas George Waring
Probate Date: 14 Dec 1955
Registry: Liverpool, England
Death Date: 12 Jun 1953
Death Place: Birkenhead

Waring, Thomas George of 12 Holt Road, Birkenhead, died 12 June 1953 Probate Liverpool 14 December to George Waring garage proprietor and Charles Waring omnibus driver
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Death index:
Name: Thomas G Waring
Birth Date: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Jun 1953
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a Page: 72

I know edith waring was born in birrkenhead and her husband was born in wrexham

Fred
Name: Frederick Stanley
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Birkenhead
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 499

Name: Frederick Stanley
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1911
Date of Registration: Jan 1987
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 37
Page: 911
Name: Frederick Stanley
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1911
Date of Registration: Jan 1987
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 37
Page: 911

George

Name: George Stanley
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Birkenhead
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 499

Name: George Stanley
Birth Date: abt 1911
Date of Registration: Dec 1962
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 88

If you think the Birkenhead birth is most likely, this is her registratiion from the local registry

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1904
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WARING Edith Birkenhead Wirral HANLEY BIR/221/3

So mother's maiden name HANLEY

is this Lily

Name: Lily May Stanley
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Birkenhead
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 524

Name: John A Hopkins
Spouse Surname: Stanley
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 1366
Find Spouse: Lily M Stanley
Name: Lily M Hopkins
Birth Date: abt 1904
Date of Registration: Dec 1935
Age at Death: 31
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 643

The only 2 births in 1904 for Edith Waring

Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
WARING Edith Birkenhead 8a 495

Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
WARING Edith Neath 11a 976

If you know her date of birth, it would be easy to work out the correct one
Mar is for births reg in Jan, Feb or Mar and may include someone born in late Nov/Dec the previous year.
Dec is for births reg Oct, Nov or Dec, and agains may include someone born late Aug/Sep the same year.
Parents have 6 weeks to register a birth

If we can't find an exact fit for the 1911 census, we'd advise purchasing the most appropriate BC from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ at a cost of £9.25

Can you give us a clue about where the events occured? safc has worked out the marriage took place in the Wirral - do you remember anything else?

from a tree on ancestry, treat with caution

Arthur
Birth
1865
Abt.
Morcott, Rutland, England
1 Source
Marriage
1899
Jan
Age: 34
Cheshire, England
1 Source
Residence
1911
2 Apr
Age: 46
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Death
1929
Sep
Age: 64
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Lilly
Birth
1878
Abt.
Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1881
Age: 3
Gresford, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1891
Age: 13
Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Marriage
1899
Jan
Age: 21
Wirral, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Residence
1901
Age: 23
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Residence
1911
2 Apr
Age: 33
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Residence
1911
2 Apr
Age: 33
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Residence
1911
2 Apr
Age: 33
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Death
1945
Jul
Age: 67
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

her father
Thomas1841
Jul
Holywell, Flintshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1841
Eglwysfach, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1851
Age: 10
Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1861
Age: 20
Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Marriage
1870
7 Sep
Age: 29
St John, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
1 Source
Residence
1871
Age: 30
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1871
Age: 30
Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1881
Age: 40
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1881
Age: 40
Gresford, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1891
Age: 50
Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1891
Age: 50
Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1891
Age: 50
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1901
Age: 60
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
2 Sources
Death
1920
Jun
Age: 78
Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

mother Hrriett - no surname



Residence
1871
Age: 30
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1871
Age: 30
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1881
Age: 40
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1881
Age: 40
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1891
Age: 50
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1901
Age: 60
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Death
1907
Jun
Age: 66
Brook Street, Rhosymedre, Denbighshire, Wales

Arthurs children

Thomas Stanley
1900 –


Lily May Stanley
1904 – 1935

Frederick Stanley
1911 – 1987

George Stanley
1911 – 1962

1911 - but perhaps not - Wrong name for the mother
Name: Edith Waring
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 2 Dale Street Birkenhead
Registration district: Birkenhead

Thomas Georgh (George) Waring 38 - Property Repairer
Mary Jane Waring 34
Clara Waring 14
Florence Waring 10
Edith Waring 7
George Waring 5
May Waring 2
Elizabeth Waring 11/12

Married 15 years - 6 children born alive, all living. Everyone born in Birkenhead

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
64 Moorland Road Birkenhead, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Arthur Stanley Head Married Male General Carter 45 1866 Rutland Mercott
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Lily Eleanor Stanley Wife Married Female - 36 1875 Wrexham Sumerhill
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Thomas Stanley Son - Male - 11 1900 Wrexham Sumerhill
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Lily Stanley Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Wrexham Sumerhill
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Lea Stanley Son - Male - 0 1911 Birkenhead
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Leargee Stanley Son - Male - 0 1911 Birkenhead