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What were the father's names and occupations so we know who we're looking for?
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Elizabeth's Father was Thomas Mother Ann
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There don't appear to be any Turners in Berry Street in 1861 - will do another flick through the images.
At number 7 was Henry Foden and family.
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I've just looked at the certificate again although they have both put Berry St in the first square it has date and under that has Berry St under that it has Stone St ??
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Could this be her
Name:Elizabeth Turner
Age:17
Estimated birth year:1844
Relation:Servant
Gender:Female
Where born:Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish:St Michael
County/Island:Lancashire
Registration district:Chorlton
Sub-registration district:Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel:26
Houshold schedule number:241
Piece:2891
Folio:94
Page Number:45
Household Members:
John Kellett 29
Ann Kellett 26
Richard H Kellett 7
Alice E Kellett 5
Emily H Kellett 6/12
Martha Cooke 6
William Woodruff 14
Elizabeth Turner 17
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Not seeing any Turners in Stone Street, either.
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Thank you for looking It could be her but not sure
i'll have to try a different angle
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COPY PRINT SOURCE BOX SHARE
Attach to Family Tree
James France
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name James France
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Manchester, Lancashire, England
Enumeration District 14
Gender Male
Age 25
Marital Status Married
Occupation Railway Porter
Relationship to Head of Household Son-In-Law
Birth Year (Estimated) 1846
Birthplace Manchester, Lancashire
Entry Number 2
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/4042/0171
HOUSEHOLD
ROLE
GENDER
AGE
BIRTHPLACE
Elizabeth F Turner Daughter F 24 Manchester, Lancashire
James France Son-In-Law M 25 Manchester, Lancashire
Richard France Grandson M 2 Manchester, Lancashire
Mary A Royle Boarder F 22 Manchester, Lancashire
Joseph Simister Boarder M 23 Manchester, Lancashire
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Residence Note Cathcart Street
Gender Male
Age 55
Occupation LABORER IN TIMBER Y'RD
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1846
Birthplace Manchester, Lancashire
Schedule Type 106
Page Number 16
HOUSEHOLD
ROLE
GENDER
AGE
BIRTHPLACE
James France Head M 55 Manchester, Lancashire
Elizabeth France Wife F 54 Manchester, Lancashire
Elizabeth France Daughter F 30 Manchester, Lancashire
Amelia France Daughter F 19 Manchester, Lancashire
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The 1871 that malyon posted above appears to have people missing.
Here's another version:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
13 Berry Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ann Turner Head - Female 59 1812 Housekeeper Lancashire, England
Edward Turner Son - Male 22 1849 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth F Turner Daughter - Female 24 1847 Lancashire, England
James France Son-In-Law - Male 25 1846 Railway Porter Lancashire, England
Richard France Grandson - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
Mary A Royle Boarder - Female 22 1849 - Lancashire, England
Joseph Simister Boarder - Male 23 1848 Railway Porter Lancashire, England
All born Manchester.
Elizabeth and Mary A Royle's occupation both the same but difficult to decipher - Fine Piecer?
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Thank you for your time
I'll make a note of that but it was finding where the families were in 1861
that I was after
Thank you
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Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral) (Ancestry)
(did you mean 1866?, not sure where it says Stone St.)
Chris :)
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1866
FRANCE James TURNER Elizabeth Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/159/485
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No Chris, I can't see Stone Street, either. And it was 1866 for the marriage.
The image, for reference:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/19546478
Sylann, we realise it's 1861 you're looking for but posting later/earlier information helps us to get a clearer picture of who we're looking for - it's posted as much for ourbenefit as anyone else's. After all, we don't know the family as well as you do. :-)
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Name James France
Age (Original) 35
Gender Male
Birth Year 1846
Birthplace Birminm, Warwickshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Marital Status Single
Occupation Brush Maker
Address 44 Vaughton St South
Event Place Aston, Warwickshire, England
Record Type Household
Affiliate Publication Number RG11
Piece/Folio 3016 / 15
Page Number 23
HOUSEHOLD
ROLE
GENDER
AGE
BIRTHPLACE
Ann France Head F 68 Birminm, Warwickshire, England
Daniel France Son M 41 Birminm, Warwickshire, England
James France Son M 35 Birminm, Warwickshire, England
William France Son M 24 Birminm, Warwickshire, England
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Baptism: 12 Mar 1854 St Andrew, Ancoats, Lancs.
Sarah Anne Turner - Daughter of Thomas Turner & Sarah Hallam
Abode: No. 7 Berry St. Store Street
Occupation: Spinner
Baptised by: Harry Lloyd Bickerstaffe (curate)
Register: Baptisms 1848 - 1860, Page 85, Entry 610
Source: Original Register
Baptism: 12 Apr 1857 St Andrew, Ancoats, Lancs.
Elizabeth Turner - [Child] of Thomas Turner & Sarah
Abode: 12 Berry St. (Store St.)
Occupation: Fine-Spinner
Baptised by: George S. Allen Curate
Register: Baptisms 1848 - 1860, Page 153, Entry 1161
Source: Original Register
Baptism: 20 Mar 1859 St George, Hulme, Lancs.
Thomas Turner - [Child] of Thomas Turner & Sarah (formerly Hallam)
Born: 1 Jan 1859
Abode: 7 Stone St.
Occupation: Spinner
Parents Marriage: Cathl.
Baptised by: W. Whitelegge
Register: Baptisms 1853 - 1862, Page 300
Source: LDS Film 2113127
(no idea if same Berry Street, but above comes up on google, as example, or if relating!)
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%) (also on Ancestry, Manchester. Cathedral)
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Hallam Sarah Manchester 8d 216
Turner Thomas Manchester 8d 216
Chris :)
1851 (Find My Past) (Reference)
Thomas Turner Head Married Male 43 1808 Card Grinder Cotton Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ann Turner Wife Married Female 39 1812 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Turner Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 Piecer Cotton Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Turner Son - Male 17 1834 Carder Cotton Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Turner Daughter - Female 12 1839 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Harriet Turner Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Turner Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Edward Turner Son - Male 2 1849 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Street Berry Street (7)
City Manchester
County Lancashire
Municipal ward Manchester
Registration district Manchester
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2228
Folio 433
Page 26
(below looks to relate)
24 January 1849 (Tuesday) - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
Mr. Chapman, borough coroner, held an inquest, on Thursday, last, touching the death of Ann, daughter of Thomas Turner of 7, Berry-street, card-grinder. The deceased, who was seven years and four months old, was on Monday afternoon sitting before the fire, rocking herself in her little chair, when some hot cinders fell on her clothes, and ignited them. She ran, screaming, into the street, and was quickly followed by her mother and sister, who extinguished the flames.
Surgical aid was procured, but the child died on Wednesday. Verdict, "Accidental Death."
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A marriage for another sibling- address 13 Berry Street (Elizabeth's address in 1871).
Marriage:
Name: John Turner
Birth Year: abt 1834
Marriage Date: 16 Sep 1855
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Thomas Turner (Carder)
Spouse's Name: Ann Walton
Spouse's Father's Name: William Walton (Mechanic)
Archive Roll: 723
Residence for both: 13 Berry Street
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