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Eringobragh
Looking back at all my records I seem only to have 1851 as their marriage date as it is in several public members trees. However, when I have checked them all tonight, none of them have any citation records. If Gritty is right then it was actually Feb 1850 so they are all wrong anyway. I did ask Gritty where he found the record but he didn't get back to me. It sounds as if he found it in Catholic Church records somewhere but I can't seem to access any either through Genes or Ancestry.
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Katqueen

Katqueen.
.No apologies necessary ...If your anything like me your lucky to get on at all..
I would be looking at the RC records for Kilcoo which tends to cover FofanyR. and FofanyB.unfortunately the Marriages records start much later than you are searching... Where did you find the one you have...??

Using the details Gritty posted (30th Aug) it gives witnesses' as Edward Morgan and Patrick Cunningham..I have searched through the Kilcoo Baptismal Reg.and find the Morgans also come from FofanyrR. although the Morgans also can be found in other areas nearby..however there is an Edward Morgan and family listed for Baptisms from 1841..FofanyR.
I would suggest that Patrick Cunningham is probably a Brother or relative rather than Francis' father.

It does appear that the area of FofannyR is probably the correct place but until Primary Source confirmation is found I wouldn't assume anything...

Eringobragh. So sorry not to have responded before but I haven't been able to get on Genes for a few days. Thankyou so much for that very interesting information. It is too much of a coincidence to have Cunninghams and Loughlins in the same place for it not to be the ones I am looking for. Would you know where to look for any marriage references to Frances Cunningham and Rosa Loughlin that would show fathers names. The only one I have found is very smudged and although one of the witnesses appears to have been a Patrick Cunningham, there is no way of knowing if its a father or brother. Thankyou so much for your help.

Katqueen.

Looking at the Baptism for Patrick Cunningham posted by Gritty 30 August ..the Parish is given as Fofanny..that is not quite accurate
Fofannybane and Fofannyreagh (two separate "Townlands" although co joined) both lie in the foothills of the Mourne Mountains so the family would have come from one or the other....
I have checked and found the Griffiths Valuation of 1863 show the following which may be some help...
Tenants of the Earl of Roden

M'Loughlan Henry
M'Loughlan James
Cunningham Thomas
Loughlin Catherine
M'Loughlin Bridget

Henry M'Loughlan also showed on the 1776 Flaxgrowers List for Kilcoo which was the Civil Parish for Fofannyreagh.

I cannot see any Cunningham/M'Loughlan/Loughlin for Fofannybane.

You can access the GV on www.askaboutireland.ie

Gritty. Can't find any reference to them anywhere. Could you tell me where you found this record please? Many thanks

Date is right and the reason I may not have found them is because somewhere along the way she seems to have lost the Mc. Will have a look on the public members trees on Ancestry with the Mc in front as it might bring up something fresh. Thanks so much.

A maybe- A couple of births that may fit- but this is closest to date

Church Baptism Record
Rose McLaughlin
Date of Baptism: 24-Jan-1835
Parish/District: NEWRY
County Co. Down
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Thomas McLaughlin
Mother: Elizabeth Byrne

Informant 1: Louis Judge
Informant 2: Rose Byrne

Just reread and noticed that it does say upper Mourne for Francis so assume that is a district or town in County Down.

Thanks Gritty. There seem to be endless spellings of Laughlin but I would say it's definitely them. No way of working out if the witness Patrick Cunningham would have been Francis's brother or father. The baptism record for Patrick is the same year as I have for his birth so he is definitely one and the same. Now we have established that they both seem to have been from County Down are there any Irish records specific to there for census type records. Pity it doesn't give the address on the marriage info.

Church Baptism Record
Name: Patrick Cunningham
Date of Baptism: 10-Mar-1857
Address: Fofanny Parish/District: KILCOO County Down
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Francis Cunningham
Mother: Rose Loughlin

Informant 1: Patrick Brady
Informant 2: Ellen Rush

For Ref:
Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 12-Feb-1850
Parish / District: DOWN County: Co. Down
Name: Francis Cunningham
Address: Upper Mourne
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Wife: Rose Laughlin
Address: -
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Witnesses: Edward Morgan & Patrick Cunningham

Thanks for that. It does lay it out much more clearly for people to look at than my garbled version. Hopefully someone will come up with some information for me.

Just for our reference - I'm sure you'll already have these and all other relevant censuses. And I know it doesn't help with Francis and Rosa's parents:

Rose Cunningham
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Rose Cunningham
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Francis Cunningham
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Barrow
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Barrow In Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3486
Folio: 124
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Cunningham 60
Rose Cunningham 55
John Cunningham 28 - Ireland
Francis Cunningham 26 - Ireland
Ellen Cunningham 19 - born Isle of Man
Thomas Cunningham 18 - born Barrow in Furness
Catherine Cunningham 29 - Ireland
William A Turbot 13 - grandson
Eliza Turbot 11 - grand-daughter
Mary Johnson 15 - grand-daughter



Ellen Cunningham
in the 1871 Isle of Man Census
Name: Ellen Cunningham
Age in 1871: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Rosa Cunningham
Gender: Female
Where born: Ramsey, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Civil Parish: Maughold
Town: Ramsey
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Occupation: View image
Disability: View image
Registration district: Isle Of Man
Sub-registration district: C
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 80
Piece: 5773
Folio: 186
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Rosa Cunningham 45
Patrick Cunningham 14
Frances Cunningham 10
Rosey Cunningham 8
Hugh Cunningham 4
Ellen Cunningham 2



Ellen Cunningham

in the 1881 England Census
Name: Ellen Cunningham
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 48 Newland Street
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Barrow In Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4285
Folio: 31
Page Number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Cunningham 23
John Cunningham 22
Francis Cunningham 19
Rose Cunningham 18
Hugh Cunningham 15
Ellen Cunningham 10
Thomas Cunningham 8
Margaret Cassidy 29 - sister
Francis Cassidy 6 nephew
Terrance Dulan 23 - boarder

I have been trying for some time to find information regarding the parents of my great grandfather and great grandmother both born in Ireland. His name is Francis Cunningham born in 1831 and she is Rose/Rosa Lochlen/Loughlin born in Down in 1835. They had 10 children---Margaret, James ,Catherine, Patrick, John, Rose, Francis, Hugh, Ellen and my grandfather Thomas born in Barrow in Furness in 1874 and died in 1951. All the others were born in Ireland or the Isle of Man. Does anyone have any Irish records that go back pre 1831 who might be able to help with the parents of Francis and Rose please. I know that Francis was Catholic but don't know about Rose. Thanking you in anticipation.