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Message from Rachel.

Herbert was born Herbert Richard Charles Carn he married had two boys and then 'ran away' with a younger lady to America forever. Only in the last 18 months I found he died in Torquay and his widow was LB Corrie. On his death certificate it is written Corrie known as Carn. I am not sure if he married her as he was still legally married to Ada Isabelle, I have read that often Men that lived with ladies they weren't married to would take on their name so people would think they were married. I hope to find out in the next couple of months as I can only do this research occasionally. Thanks again fort your help.


I think MarieCeleste's advice about buying the marriage certificate would be your next step to finding out more about this couple.

I can I see a passenger list? Alviegal I can see you have reference numbers by Herbert 1903, 1905, 1906, 1909 and 1910 what do these relate to?I have tried looking him up on 1911 census but still can't find him? Thanks again everyone!

Thanks for all your help. I have lots of leads to follow. I am off to Devon on Saturday! I will keep you posted. It's so interesting.

Welcome to the Community Boards Rachel.



(I'll let Rachel know how to find her replies) :-)

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965


Name: Ada Isabel Carn
Year: 1918
County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Wandsworth
Street address: 27 Emily


with Herbert Victor.


Name: Ada Isabel Carn
Year: 1938
County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Balham and Tooting and Central


With Herbert Victor and Florence Lily.



Name: Ada I Carn
Year: 1948
County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Balham and Tooting and Central
Street address: 86 Olive


With Florence L and Herbert V.


So no sign of her husband who, we know, died in 1948.



Name: Ada I Carn
Year: 1949
County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Clapham and Central

With Florence L and Herbert V W.



Name: Ada I Carn
Year: 1952
County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Clapham and Central
Street address: 80 Oil


Still with Florence and Herbert.

Death for Ada.

First name(s) ADA I
Last name CARN
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1866
Age 90
Death quarter 1
Death year 1956
District WANDSWORTH
County London
Volume 5D
Page 981

Herbert R Corri

in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
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Name: Herbert R Corri
Birth Date: abt 1870
Age: 64
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 6 Oct 1934
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Antonia
Search Ship Database: Search for the Antonia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard White Star
Official Number: 145937

Travelling with Laura B, 43. Maidavale, London was their proposed address and he was a confectioner.



Harbert Corri

in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
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Name: Harbert Corri
Birth Date: abt 1871
Age: 67
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 13 Nov 1938
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Alaunia
Search Ship Database: Search for the Alaunia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard White Star
Official Number: 147315


He was retired, travelling with Laura 48 and their proposed address was 18 King's park rd, Southampton.



Did he change his name for some reason? This is very strange. Can find no earlier records of a Herbert R C Corri.

I'd suggest buying the certificate for Laura's remarriage to see what her maiden name was.

Could be useful to trace her going to Canada to connect her to Herbert.

There are 2 Canadian arrivals in 1934:

Herbert Corri in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Herbert Corri
Gender: Male
Age: 64
Birth Year: abt 1870
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 18 Nov 1934
Vessel: Montrose
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Southampton, England

Travelling with Laura (age 44). Both had been in Canada from Feb 1910 to Oct 1934, home address 1582? Queen Street W, Toronto.

The earlier one was in January, information the same.

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 (Find My Past)

(to match 'Incoming' posted by Mike perhaps, on above, Corri Herbert and Laura, 1934 to Montreal)

(87, Portsdown Road, Maida Vale, London. occ. Storekeeper, age 64, her age 44, Housekeeper)

Chris :)


Deaths Jun 1956 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------
Ball Laura B 64 Totnes 7a 753

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=ball&yearOfDeath=1956&page=6#calendar

(also on above Probate, Samuel 1978)


Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Ball Samuel Richard H Wandsworth 1d 653

(his Birth)

Burial records : Carn, Caroline
Age 65 Years
Date of death 25/06/1900

(you can see Burial Register image, on below)

http://www.kingston.gov.uk/directory_record/108838/carn_caroline

Chris :)

Carn, Hannah
Carn, Richard
Carn, William
Carn, John
Carn, Walter
Carn, William
Carne, Alice

(above are others, but 'Search' doesn't seem to work, although, coming up on google!)

http://www.kingston.gov.uk/directory/20/burial_records

(normally above!)

This is the Mr. Carn who went to America in 1908 (but this one is a miner):-

First name(s) H
Last name CARN
Title MR
Gender Male
Marital status S
Occupation MINER
Departure year 1908
Departure day 10
Departure month 10
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name MAURETANIA
Ship official number 124093
Ship master's first name J
Ship master's last name PRITCHARD
Shipping line CUNARD
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 27897
Ship registered tonnage 8947
Number of passengers 1020
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

Kath. x

He's still in England here.

Name: Herbert Richard Charles Carn
Year: 1910
Country: England
County: Surrey
Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Kingston
Place of Abode: 14 Sussex road
Reference Number: CC802/21/1


Name: Herbert Richard Charles Carn
Year: 1909
Country: England
County: Surrey
Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Kingston
Place of Abode: 17 Clarence street
Reference Number: CC802/20/1




Name: Herbert Richard Charles Carn
Year: 1906
Country: England
County: Surrey
Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Kingston
Place of Abode: 40 Cromwell road
Reference Number: CC802/17/1


Name: Herbert Carn
Year: 1905
Country: England
County: Surrey
Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Kingston
Place of Abode: 40, Cromwell road
Reference Number: CC802/16/1



Name: Herbert Richard Carn
Year: 1903
Country: England
County: Surrey
Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Kingston
Place of Abode: 40, Cromwell road
Reference Number: CC802/14/1



Name: Herbert Richard Carn
Year: 1902
Country: England
County: Surrey
Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Kingston
Place of Abode: 40, Cromwell road
Reference Number: CC802/13/1


Name: Herbert Richard Carn
Year: 1899
Country: England
County: Surrey
Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Kingston
Place of Abode: 87, King's road
Reference Number: CC802/10/1

How do you now that Herbert Corrie is same person as Herbert Carn ?



Name:
Herbert Corrie (Salesman)

Birth Date:abt 1871
Age:65

Port of Departure:Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date:1 Aug 1936
Port of Arrival:London, England
Ports of Voyage:Montreal

Ship Name:Aurania
Shipping line:Cunard White Star

Official Number:147277


Travelling with Laura Corrie aged 45
Address going to :33 Monpelur Street, Brighton

Name Herbert R C Carn
Age (Original) 9
Gender Male
Birth Year 1872
Birthplace Kingston, Surrey, England
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Marital Status Single
Occupation Scholar
Address Clarence St
Event Place Kingston, Surrey, England
Record Type Household
Affiliate Publication Number RG11
Piece/Folio 835 / 35
Page Number 9



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

William Carn Head M 40 Ham, Surrey, England
Caroline Carn Wife F 45 Kingston, Surrey, England
Herbert R C Carn Son M 9 Kingston, Surrey, England
William King Assistant M 21 Marylebone, Middlesex, England
John M Peats Apprent M 16 Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England
Jane Jacobs Servant F 21 Watdegness ?, Berkshire, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
40, Cromwell Road, Kingston on Thames, Kingston upon Thames, Kingston, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Herbert Richd Chas Carn Head Married Male 29 1872 Pawnbroker Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
Transcription
Ada Isabelle Carn Wife Married Female 33 1868 - Kennington, Surrey, England
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Herbert Victor Wm Carn Son - Male 4 1897 - Dudley, Worcestershire, England
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Frank Clement Carn Son - Male 2 1899 - Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England




1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
28 Morval Road Brixton S W, Lambeth, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Henry Restall Head Married Male House Carpenter 69 1842 Chelsea Middlesex
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Elizabeth Restall Wife Married Female - 78 1833 Brixton Surrey
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Ada Carn Boarder Married Female House Keeper Domestic 39 1872 Kennington
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Frank Carn Boarder - Male - 12 1899 Kingston on Thames



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
West Street Midhurst, Midhurst, Sussex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Albert Goldring Head Married Male Seedsman-Florist And Fruiterer 39 1872 Singleton Sussex
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Rosa May Goldring Wife Married Female Assisting In The Business 40 1871 Claphan S U
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Frederick Goldring Son - Male - 14 1897 Lee Kent
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May Goldring Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Midhurst Sussex
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Annie Nettercote Sister-In Law Single Female Housekeeper 37 1874 Clapham S U
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>>Herbert Carn Nephew - Male Shop Assistant 14 1897 Dudley Burmingham

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Herbert R C Carn
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Herbert R C Carn
Age (Original) 9
Gender Male
Birth Year 1872
Birthplace Kingston, Surrey, England
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Marital Status Single
Occupation Scholar
Address Clarence St
Event Place Kingston, Surrey, England
Record Type Household
Affiliate Publication Number RG11
Piece/Folio 835 / 35
Page Number 9
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

William Carn Head M 40 Ham, Surrey, England
Caroline Carn Wife F 45 Kingston, Surrey, England
Herbert R C Carn Son M 9 Kingston, Surrey, England
William King Assistant M 21 Marylebone, Middlesex, England
John M Peats Apprent M 16 Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England
Jane Jacobs Servant F 21 Watdegness ?, Berkshire, England

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) HERBERT R C
Last name CARN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1872
Age 76
Death quarter 1
Death year 1948
District NEWTON ABBOT
County Devon
Volume 7A
Page 516
Country England


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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) HERBERT R C
Last name CORRIE
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1872
Age 76
Death quarter 1
Death year 1948
District NEWTON ABBOT
County Devon
Volume 7A
Page 516

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England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) HERBERT RICHARD C
Last name CARN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1895
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ HERBERT RICHARD C CARN married one of these people
CATHERINE MINNIE BENNETT, AMELIA MARY SHEPPARD
District WANDSWORTH
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 785


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Name: Herbert Richard C Carn
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Wandsworth
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 786
Records on Page:
Name
Herbert Richard C Carn
Ada Isabel Nethercote
Elizabeth Southon
Alfred Francis Turner


There seems to have been a mixup with the page numbers.

i think this is richard in census 1901


Name Herbert Richd Chas Carn
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey, England
County Surrey
Civil Parish Kingston Upon Thames
Ecclesiastical Parish Norbiton St Peters
Sub-District Kingston
Registration District Kingston
Gender Male
Age 29
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1872
Birthplace Kingston, Surrey
Schedule Type 12