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John Sherman b.5/12/1885

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Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Aug 2015 21:19

Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
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MORRIS William Shoreditch 1c 256
PEGRAM Eliza Amelia Shoreditch 1c 256

http://www.curiousfox.com/vill100/Middlesex51521_1.html

(above from google)


1861 (Find My Past)
John ... MacAuliffe Head Married Male 30 1831 Shoemaker Ireland
Ann MacAuliffe Wife Married Female 30 1831 - Ireland
Michael MacAuliffe Son - Male 9 1852 - Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England
Catherine MacAuliffe Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England
John MacAuliffe Son - Male 2 1859 - Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England
Patrick MacAuliffe Son - Male 0 1861 - Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England
House number 5
Street New Court
Parish St Boltolph Bishopsgate
County London, Middlesex
Municipal ward Bishopsgate
Registration district East London
Enumeration district 16
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 212
Folio number 120
Page number 66

Chris :)

(5 more possible Births, Raddon after 1911)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Lesley1112

Lesley1112 Report 21 Aug 2015 21:06

Thank you so much to you all. This now makes sense. It was a 'family tale' that John Sherman born 1885 changed his name from something like Sheridan when he was in the merchant service. So he was born Sheringham, joined the Merchant, jumped ship apparently, changed his name, enlisted as Sherman and married as a Sherman. So all of his brothers and sisters were still Sheringham. At least we now know what his original name was. Was this legal? Very interesting. I now need to blow this out. I still don't know where Irish comes from unless his mother Catherine was from an Irish background. This is reading like a book now! Lesley

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 21 Aug 2015 20:18

William Sheringham
BuriedOn:29 May 1935
Recorded at: Manor Park Cemetery (Newham)
Date of death 23 May 1935

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
For a few £££ you can purchase credits to view the register

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 21 Aug 2015 20:15

this is the only death showing, but well after 1919! Perhaps John didn't approve of his father's relationship?

Name: William Sheringham
Birth Date: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Jun 1935
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 74

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 21 Aug 2015 20:13

Ancestry links William Sherringham to this marriage, to Catherine

Name: William Sheringham
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Age: 21
Spouse: Catherine McAuliff
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Aug 1873
Parish: St James, Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Alfred Sheringham
Spouse Father: John Mcauliff
Register Type: Parish Register

He and his father were Costamongers, Catherine and her father, shoemakers.
William's address4 Windsor St, Bishopsgate.
Catherine's 21 Catherine Wheel Alley

Witnesses J McAuliff, Ann McAuliff,

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 21 Aug 2015 20:07

It looks as if Catherine snr died

Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%)
Sherringham Catherine 40 Whitechapel 1c 170

William re-married or co-habited

Name: William Sheringham
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Eliza Sheringham
Birth Place: Spitalfields, London, England
Civil Parish: Spitalfields
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 7 Puma Court
Occupation: - Warehouse man
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Piece: 297
Folio: 103
Page Number: 49
Household schedule number: 273
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sheringham 46
Eliza Sheringham 35
William Morris 11 - Stepson
George Morris 5 - Stepson
Harry Fulda 18 - lodger

1911
Name: William Sheringham
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Spitalfields
Civil Parish: Spitalfields
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 7 Ashford House, Puma Court, Spitalfields E <<<<<<
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: COKERNUT PORTER, Fruit market <<<<<<
Registration district: Whitechapel
Registration District Number: 18
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 1455
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sheringham 57
Eliza Sheringham 46
Albert Sheringham 9
James Sheringham 8
Eliza Sheringham 5

Children all born Spitalfields. Says he's been married 10 years with 4 children born alive from this 'marriage' one of whom has died

the crean nut opener from Catherines MC must have been Coconut Porter
...

Added -- marriage, Only one R
Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Morris Eliza Amelia Whitechapel 1c 465
Sheringham William Whitechapel 1c 465



Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Aug 2015 19:49

1901

Catharine Sheringham 22
Sarah Sheringham 20 - sister
Alfred Sheringham 18 - brother
John Sheringham 16 - brother
Alexander Sheringham 13 - brother

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 21 Aug 2015 19:47

1891

Name: Katie Sherringham
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Sherringham
Mother's name: Catherine Sherringham
Gender: Female
Where born: Spitalfields, London, England
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 273
Folio: 76
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sherringham 36 - 1855 Spitalfields, London, England
Catherine Sherringham 36 - 1855 Bishopsgate, London, England
Ann Sherringham 16 - 1875 - Spitalfields
William Sherringham 14 - 1877 - Spitalfields, London, England
Katie Sherringham 12
Johnny Sherringham 10 - 1881 Spitalfields, London, England
Alfred Sherringham 8 - 1883 Spitalfields, London, England
Alexander Sherringham 6 - 1885 Spitalfields, London, England
Ada Sherringham 4 - 1887 Spitalfields, London, England
Sarah Sherringham 2 - 1889 Spitalfields, London, England

The address is the same as the MC. William is listed as a self employed General
Dealer

Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Aug 2015 19:46

If this is the correct family, he either lied about both his name and age or else there is a mix up somewhere.

1891

Name:
Johnny Sherringham

Age:10
Estimated birth year:abt 1881

Relation:Son

Father's name:William Sherringham
Mother's name:Catherine Sherringham

Where born:Spitalfields, London, England

Civil Parish:Christchurch



William Sherringham 36 - general dealer - Spitalfields, London
Catherine Sherringham 36
Ann Sherringham 16
William Sherringham 14
Katie Sherringham 12 - Spitalfields, London
Johnny Sherringham 10 - Spitalfields, London
Alfred Sherringham 8
Alexander Sherringham 6
Ada Sherringham 4
Sarah Sherringham 2

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 21 Aug 2015 19:37

Catherine's marriage

Name: Catherine Sherringham
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Age: 22
Spouse: Walter Raddon
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Apr 1901
Parish: Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Sherringham - looks like crean nut opener :-S
Spouse Father: Thomas Raddon
Register Type: Parish Register

Brides address 7 Ashford House, Puma? Court
Witnesses John Samworth and M Samworth

Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Aug 2015 19:28

Just wondering if the is the sister's marriage ( not Sherman though )


Marriages Jun 1901
GUNNER George Whitechapel 1c 451
PHILLIPS Florence Beatrice Whitechapel 1c 451
Raddon Walter Whitechapel 1c 451
Sherringham Catherine Whitechapel 1c 451

Lesley1112

Lesley1112 Report 21 Aug 2015 19:14

Chris you have just made me very happy. I was stumped. I never thought of Raddon. This gives me so much more to go on now. Thank you so much. Lesley

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Aug 2015 19:04

1911 (Find My Past)
Walter C Raddon Head Married Male Tonnage Checker 30 1881 Islington Middlesex
Catherine Raddon Wife Married Female - 32 1879 Spitalfields
Walter C Raddon Son - Male - 10 1901 Islington
Fred W Raddon Son - Male - 8 1903 Tottenham
Ivy G Raddon Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Edmonton
Address 2 Sunnyside Road E Lower Edmonton
Parish Edmonton
County Middlesex
Census reference RG14 PN7367 RG78 PN357 RD132 SD5 ED17 SN329
(says Married 11yrs, 4 children born, 3 living, 1 died)

(above was given as address for Kate)

Chris :)

edits (apologies folks, having to go!)

Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Aug 2015 18:37

Doh ...

Thanks Lesley

Lesley1112

Lesley1112 Report 21 Aug 2015 18:33

Hi. John Sherman put his Sister as next of kin on his enlistment papers in 1914. He didn't marry Lawrie Pyrke until 1919. Lesley

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Aug 2015 18:31

Address on Discharge as,
103 Holly Street, Dalston Lane, looks crossed through perhaps, then,
3, Pleasant Place, Essex Road, Islington.

(if anything on Electoral!)

Chris :)

http://www.londontown.com/LondonStreets/holly_street_bb7.html/

Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Aug 2015 18:29

Lawrie Beatrice Sherman died 1975 so why would he put his sister as next of kin ?
Did they split up?

Lesley1112

Lesley1112 Report 21 Aug 2015 18:25

Thanks Maddie I have found his Army History already. This is why I'm wondering now if he was born in Ireland or Spitalfields! Very frustrating.

Lesley1112

Lesley1112 Report 21 Aug 2015 18:03

Thanks Mike. I will look into this. Lesley

Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Aug 2015 17:48

A tree on ancestry has this as his birth

Name:
John Sherman

Registration Year:1883
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec

Registration district:West Ham

Inferred County:Essex

Volume:4a
Page:240
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and family as
Spouse
Lawrie Beatrice Pyrke1893 – 1975

child
Lily M Sherman1927 – 2003


Make of this as you will