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Looking for William Jackson lived at 14 High Street, Cheltenham and Old Spa. Gloster . His son was Henry Jackson Mottram who was convicted and sent to Australia in 1833.Henry was married to a Jane Wright, and they married in Wales. At time of deportation it shows Jane and their baby are living with William Jackson at above address. No record of her going to Australia. Rumour has that Henry was the illegitimate son of a woman called Mottram who was of higher social standing but was raised by William. Henry was born circa 1809. Family have all records in Australia but are interested in William, Jane and the child and family in UK. There is some indication that Henry was born in St Albans, but this is not confirmed. Thanks

Sorry, just posting this for Henry. He sounds rather a nasty character according to his gaoler!


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First name(s) Henry
Last name Mottram
Birth year 1808
Age 25
Conviction date 04 Mar 1833
Incarceration year 1833
Offence Horse stealing
Sentence Life
Where convicted Montgomery
County Montgomeryshire
Country Wales
Hulk Discovery
Character from gaoler Very bad character
How and when disposed of Embarked for V.D.L. 25 March 1833

Just for our reference:


Henry Jackson Mottram
Wales, Montgomeryshire, Parish Registers
Name Henry Jackson Mottram
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 10 Feb 1832
Event Place Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Jane Wright

thanks, I have the info above already - oddly on the marriage certificate neither henry or jane have their parents names, anyone know why this would be? I can find no birth record for him. He did rather well for himself in Australia after being released and then went off on the gold rush to the USA. I think the info he gave the courts etc is incorrect.

Could this be relevant to his wife?

Jane Jackson in the Web: Gloucestershire, England, Gaol Registers, 1815-1879
Name: Jane Jackson
Birth Year: abt 1813
Age: 24
Committal Date: 18 Mar 1837
Residence Year: 1837
Residence Place: Cheltenham
Reference Number: Q/Gc5/5
URL: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov...

maybe not as this looks to be the lady above:-

Name: Jane Morgan
[Jane Jackson]
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Date of Trial: 30 Mar 1837
Trial Year: 1837
Location of Trial: Gloucestershire, England
Sentence: Transportation 7yrs
Crime: Larceny
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

Vivien ...


it helps us the helpers to have the information that alviegal and argyllgran posted, otherwise we are looking without really knowing all the information.


If they married before 1837, it is not unusual to not find any information re fathers on the marriage certificate.


Registration began on July 1 1837 in England and Wales, and that is when register entries were standardised as the certificate had to be issued with certain information on them.

Mothers' names have almost never been on parish register entries or never on marriage certificates in England and Wales, and pretty rarely even on baptism entries before 1837 ............. and even then their maiden name is not often found.

You certainly will not find the information that you get on Australian certificates.

to further help us ................


what was the name of the child that Jane and Henry had


Did Jane use the surname Jackson OR Mottram?

Henry and jane married in Welshpool

In the absence of any information from you on the possible age of Jane, could this be her baptism???????????????

from ancestry .........

England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970

Name: Jane Wright
Birth Date: 22 Sep 1810
Birth Place: Welsh Pool, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Gender: Female
Event Type: Birth
Father: Thomas Wright
Mother: Martha Wright
Denomination: Baptist
Piece Title: Piece 1819: Shrewsbury, Claremont Street Meeting House (Baptist), 1766-1825


If this is her, it would make her about 23 when she married.

Burial
County Montgomeryshire
Place Welshpool
Church Parish Church
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 04 Jan 1834
Forename John Wright
Surname JACKSON
Age 1

(if above related, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx

(if anything on above)


edits (image for 1834 Burial on FMP, Pool Town for Abode)

Thanks everyone. All the info I had about them in UK , I had given on the post. No idea of child's name etc. Thanks for the new info

I posted this on the duplicate post, so just putting here now, even though of little use:

I can see an Edwin (25) and John (60) Jackson living on the High Street in 1841, but no house numbers are given to see if they are living at 14 High Street in 1841, or who is living there. (Neither are local).

I found a William Jackson on the 1841, but not on High Street, and no Jane there

http://www.cheltenham4u.co.uk/community/familyhistory_databases.asp

(Message board on above might be a help!)

Chris :)