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Thank you Jacqueline for the Butler additions. I had told myself I wouldn't do anything more on this Holdsworth tree until the potential owner got back in touch because there is not a lot of point in doing the work for somebody who has lost interest but then the addiction comes into play and I'll just have to have another peek .......

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
77, Princeville Street, Horton, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Arthur Butler Head Married Male 28 1853 Manufacturing Chemist Shelf, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Mary A Butler Wife Married Female 24 1857 Worsted Weaver Sutton, Yorkshire, England



BUTLER ARTHUR 1853 1882 1882 Deaths & burials Bradford, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) MARY ANN
Last name MIDGLEY
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1880
MARY ANN MIDGLEY married ARTHUR BUTLER
District BRADFORD
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9B Page 143

True Jacqueline but it started just as an ask about Birth Certificates, with Lewis Tolson as an example .....

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http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1353768

Thank you Potty and Dea - we have got to the point where my cup runneth over......

Genes Reunited is the one site where I have stayed for years, because it has you special people always ready to help. . . . much the same time as both of you!

Lost my internet connection when doing the second search but Dea has found it.

If you do a search for Mary Ann, District Bradford, for Dec 1884, there is a Mary Ann Butler, page no 83 - looking at the image for that it could very well be 88. Doing the same search, but putting in 83 for the page number, brings up this - one extra woman:

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Bower Isaac Bradford Yorkshire 9b 83 Scan available - click to view
BUTLER Mary Ann Bradford Y. 9b 83 Scan available - click to view
Green Betty Bradford Y 9b 83 Scan available - click to view
Hardwick Margaret Bradford, Y. 9b 83 Scan available - click to view
LAWSON Daniel Bradford, Y. 9b 83

Name: Abel Tolson - Bachelor, Mechanic (Fitter)
Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 28
Marriage or Bann Date: 28 Oct 1884
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's name: Richard Tolson - Mechanic
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Bulter - widow - age also 28.
Spouse's Father's Name: James Midgley - Overlooker & weaver
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Witnesses Alfred Tolson, Clara Midgley
His address 12 Archibald St, Horton
Hers: 77 Princeville ? St.

Dea x

Thank you Potty, of course that explains the cause of my problem - do you have the magic for finding the missing name?

Is this the marriage index you found? There is a woman missing:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)

Ambler Susannah Bradford Yorks 9b 88 Scan available - click to view
BERRY Robert Bradford, Y. 9b 88 Scan available - click to view
Tolson Abel Bradford, Y. 9b 88

Thank you Potty, Dea and Shirley - I thought I had got the hang of it but my memory is now frequently suspect !

Frances

Not necessarily any previous married name though ,depends how questions were asked .

Both my grandmothers had married twice having been widowed ,none of the children of the second marriages show their mums previous married name

Usually the mothers name and maiden name and the father's name and occupation, also the address.

This appears to be him on 1891:


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Princeville Street, Horton, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Abel Tolson Head Married Male 34 1857 Electrican Master Of Dynamos Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Mary Ann Tolson Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Kildwick, Yorkshire, England

Clara Ethel Tolson Daughter Single Female 6 1885 Scholar Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Lily Agnes Tolson Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Lewis Tolson Son - Male 4 1887 - Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Frank Alfred Tolson Son - Male 2 1889 - Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Annie Tolson Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Does this match with FamilySearch site?

Dea x

The cert should give the father's and Mother's name, the mother's maiden name and any other names she has had, ie if she has been married before her previous married name.

Please could somebody remind me how much info about the parents is on a certificate c.1887

Births Mar 1887
Tolson Lewis Bradford, Y.
9b 147

The FreeBMD marriage for his parents does not seem to have the correct mother as per IGI