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The census return for my grandfather's brother in 1911 states Dad, Mum and 3 children BUT 4 live births are recoded and no child deaths. Any ideas where the 4 child could be?

For clarity:
Herbert J West 1911 living at 23 Church Street Woking

Lots of births recorded to WEST from 1905 (their marriage year) to 1907 birth of May the recorded child on the census. Three years between Mary and next child, Mary.

For reference, the 1911.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23 Church St Woking, Woking, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Herbert West Head Married Male Railway Clerk 35 1876 London Lambeth
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Emma West Wife Married Female - 34 1877 Reading Berks
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May West Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Surrey Woking
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Mary West Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Surrey Woking
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Owen West Son - Male - 1 1910 Surrey Woking


Have you checked both sets of grandparents to see if the child is with them?

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Name: Jack West
Baptism Date: 21 Jul 1907
Archive Provided Parish: Woking, Christ Church
Parish as it Appears: Woking, Christ Church
Father: Herbert John West
Mother: Emma Ada West
Reference Number: WOKCC/1/3

Herbert's occupation is a Railway Clerk so could very well be the missing child.

Jack West
Baptism Date: 21 Jul 1907
Archive Provided Parish: Woking, Christ Church
Parish as it Appears: Woking, Christ Church
Father: Herbert John West
Mother: Emma Ada West
Reference Number: WOKCC/1/3

How about this one

Name: Mary West
Baptism Date: 9 Aug 1908
Archive Provided Parish: Woking, Christ Church
Parish as it Appears: Christ Church, Woking
Father: Herbert John West
Mother: Emma Ada West

(same parents names)

Address:- 1 Dorset Villas, Poole Road

same address as that of Jack West


1911
Name: Jack West
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Patient (Institutional)
Birth Place: Woking, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Guildford
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: Woodbridge Hospital, Woodbridge Hill Guildford, Surrey
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Hospital Patient
Registration district: Guildford
Registration District Number: 33
Sub-registration district: Guildford
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 3082

Jack West
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Patient (Institutional)
Birth Place: Woking, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Guildford
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: Woodbridge Hospital, Woodbridge Hill Guildford, Surrey
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Hospital Patient
Registration district: Guildford
Registration District Number: 33
Sub-registration district: Guildford
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 1

Good find! This may explain why he wasn't at home.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Jack
Last name West
Relationship Patient
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Occupation Hospital Patient
Age 4
Birth year 1907
Birth place Woking Surrey
Address Woodbridge Hill Guildford Surrey
Parish Guildford
County Surrey
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Guildford
Registration district number 33
Enumeration district 16

Have deleted previous post as it was obviously wrong.

Births Dec 1906 (>99%)
West Jack Guildford 2a 75

(just a little suggestion for another time. If you can't find a birth, look for a baptism)

Oh thank you all so much - I hadn't thought of a child in hospital :-(

Thanks Catherine for the 'heads-up' with checking baptisms.

More to do now........... :-)

Maybe Jack's death ??


Jack West
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Jack West
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1906
Date of Registration: Jul 1991
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Surrey North-western
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 716

Just to confirm Emma's full name


Marriages Dec 1903

RUFUS Emma Ada - Droxford 2c 331
WEST Herbert John - Droxford 2c 331

Sorry a bit late in replying Mike. but I had Emma Ada down as Gregory. Where is Droxford?

Droxford is in Hampshire.

Details of areas within the registration area can be found on freebmd site by clicking on the name of the registration district.

ie. for Droxford....
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/droxford.html

This birth certainly fits the bill for the details of Herbert's wife on the 1911 (where they say married 7 years - tallying with the 1903 marriage)

Name: Emma Ada Rufus
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Reading
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 372

If this was the marriage you had in mind then the details don't match 1911:

Name: Herbert John West
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1872
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1905
Archive Provided Parish: Croydon, St Michael
Parish as it Appears: Croydon
Spouse: Ada Emily Gregory
Spouse Age: 34
Father: William James West
Spouse Father: Charles William Gregory

This Herbert John West is a little older, a widower, and is a licensed victualler.

Seeing as there are TWO Herbert John Wests who married women with similar forenames are you sure you're following the right line back?

EDIT: If you know for definite that the mother's surname was Gregory then that is not your family in 1911.

Just for comparison, this is the "other" Herbert John West in 1911 (mistranscribed as Best on FMP, correct name is on Ancestry)

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

833 Romford Road Manor Park, East Ham, Essex, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Herbert John Best Head Married Male Hotel Manager 38 1873 Middlesex Paddington
Ada Emily Best Wife Married Female ­ 40 1871 Herts Cheshurt
Percy Charles Best Son ­ Male ­ 4 1907 Essex East Ham
Dorothy Beatrice Best Daughter ­ Female ­ 1 1910 Essex East Ham
Lydia Violet Best Daughter ­ Female ­ 1 mo 1911 Essex East Ham

(Have not included long list of hotel staff)