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Marian Harriett Williams(?) please

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Ed

Ed Report 20 Jul 2015 18:17

Marian Harriett married 29 Mar 1891All Saints Haggerston to Frederick James Barton. Her father is shown as John Williams - cab proprietor. Witnesses were John Williams and Sarah Jane Williams. Marian 's age given as 21. I can not find a birth for Marian nor find her on a census. I have tried using father John and mother Sarah Jane and also sister Sarah Jane
In 1891Islington Marion shows birth as 1870 Islington. In 1911 Islington she is shown as Mary Ann born 1870 Islington. There is a birth registration for a Mary Ann in Sep 1870 Islington that may be her but can find nothing on census

Gritty

Gritty Report 20 Jul 2015 18:30

I have had Mary Ann & Marianne interchangeable in my tree too.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hornsey Road Andover Row, St Mary Islington, Islington, London, England

John Williams Head - Male 24 1847 Carman Bermondsey, Surrey,
Mary A Williams Wife - Female 22 1849 - London, Middlesex,
Mary A H Williams Daughter - Female 1 1870 - St Mary, Islington, Middlesex,
Caroline Lee Lodger - Female 15 1856 - London, Middlesex,
Edwin Evens Lodger - Male 20 1851 - Middlesex, England
William Martindale Lodger - Male 20 1851 - London, Middlesex,
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Same family in 1881- John not living there, but now also sister, Sarah:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9, Pratts Road, Hackney, London,
Mary A Williams Head Married Female 29 1852 Artificial Florist City of London, Middlesex,
Mary A Williams Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Islington, Middlesex,
Sarah Williams Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Islington, Middlesex,
Caroline Lee Lodger Single Female 23 1858 Artificial Florist Islington, Middlesex,
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Same family 1891 (John's occupation fits with marriage):

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Providence Cottages, St Albans Place, Islington, London, England
John Williams Head Married Male 42 1849 Cab Driver Middlesex,
Marry A Williams Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Middlesex, England
Carrie Lee Sister In Law Single Female 33 1858 Flower Maker Middlesex, d
Sarah Williams Daughter Single Female 19 1872 Relief Stamper Islington, Middlesex,
Henry Lee Nephew Single Male 24 1867 Coachman Bethnal Green, Middlesex,
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Sarah's Birth:
name(s) SARAH JANE WILLIAMS
Birth year 1872
Birth quarter 2
District ISLINGTON
County London
Volume 1B Page 317

Mike *

Mike * Report 20 Jul 2015 18:35

Why do you assume the witnesses to be her parents ?

Gritty

Gritty Report 20 Jul 2015 18:37

Mike? - he doesn't- Ed has also tried searching Sarah as a sister.

Mike *

Mike * Report 20 Jul 2015 18:40


Births Sep 1869
Williams Mary Ann H - Islington 1b 362

Mike *

Mike * Report 20 Jul 2015 18:44


Name:
Mary Ann Harriett Williams

Record Type:
Baptism

Baptism Date:
29 Aug 1869

Father's name:
John Williams

Mother's name:
Mary Ann Williams

Parish or Poor Law Union:
Islington St Mary

Borough:
Islington

Register Type:
Parish Registers

Ed

Ed Report 20 Jul 2015 19:02

Thanks but I Mary Ann K/H is not mine. You have her with parents John and Mary Ann living Camberwell however mine is married and living in Islington in 1891

Gritty

Gritty Report 20 Jul 2015 19:03

Ed, have added the family of your Mary/ Marianne in 1891 to my original post- John is a cab driver :)

Mike *

Mike * Report 20 Jul 2015 19:04

Have deleted those censuses then.
Father John on marriage cert is a Cab proprietor

Gee

Gee Report 20 Jul 2015 19:06

This is the couple in 1891



Name:Marion Barton

Age:21

Estimated birth year:abt 1870

Relation:Wife

Spouse's Name:Frederick Barton

Gender:Female

Where born:Islington, London, England

Civil Parish:Islington

Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter

Town:London City

County/Island:London

Registration district:Islington

Sub registration district:Islington South

ED, institution, or vessel:15

Piece:167
Folio:44
Page Number:31

Household Members:


Frederick Barton 21 Warehouseman
Marion Barton 21 Artificial Florist

Gritty

Gritty Report 20 Jul 2015 19:10

Marriage of Mary Ann's sister:

Name: Sarah Jane Williams
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Age: 21
Spouse: William John Henry Hatswell
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Jan 1894
Parish: St Silas, Pentonville
Borough: Islington
Father Name: John Williams- Cab Driver
Spouse Father: John Hatswell
Register Type: Parish Register

Gee

Gee Report 20 Jul 2015 20:00

She may not have been registered at birth, there were no penalties for not doing so

Edit: On the baptism that Mike posted, her father is listed as a 'Driver'

Gritty

Gritty Report 20 Jul 2015 20:09

Gins I think the birth/ baptism info put up by Mike is probably correct:

Births Sep 1869
Williams Mary Ann H Islington 1b 362


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Mary Ann Harriett Williams
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1869
Father's name: John Williams (Occ: Driver)
Mother's name: Mary Ann Williams
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Address: Norfolk St.

Ed

Ed Report 20 Jul 2015 21:15

Thanks for the assistance everyone - much appreciated