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Here's the FS version of alviegirl's 1870 hit (with a free image link):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ2N-X52

Paul, looks like you can rule out the Crumlys from Pennsylvania found by mgnv. This is the 1870 with their names on.

It was definitely worth a look though, if only to rule them out.


Name: James W Crumly
Age in 1870: 13
Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1870: Buffalo, Union, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Lewisburg
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Household Members:
Name Age
Reuben Crumly 39
Susannah Crumly 31
James W Crumly 13
Christian A Crumly 11
Mary A Crumly 7

This is the 1871 for the family Andrew posted in 1861. Surname definitely reads Curmany.


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Saltney Street Court, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Bernard Carmany Head - Male 45 1826 - Lancashire, England
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Catherine Carmany Wife - Female 38 1833 - Lancashire, England
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Ann E Carmany Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Lancashire, England
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Selina Carmany Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Lancashire, England
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Joseph Carmany Son - Male 4 1867 - Lancashire, England



1861

Name:Selina Crumbie
Age:4
Estimated birth year:1857
Relation:Daughter (Child)
Father's name:Bernard Crumbie
Mother's name:Catharine Crumbie


EDIT 1861 from fmp. Have submitted corrections.



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
26, Sherwood Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Bernard Grubic Head Married Male 38 1823 Dock Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Caterine Grubic Wife Married Female 28 1833 Dock Labourers Wife Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Ann E Grubic Daughter - Female 6 1855 Dock Labourers Daughter Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Selina Grubic Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Mary E Grubic Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

The marriage posted by Gins helps to identify any available records for Samuel Pidgeon. It names his father, also Samuel Pidgeon

(copied from Gins post)
Name:Selinam Crumley
Marriage Date:8 Jan 1876
Parish:St Augustine (Augustini), Lancashire, England
Spouse's Name:Samuelem Pigeon
Father's name:Bernardi Crumley
>>>>>Spouse Father's Name:Samuelis Pigeon <<<<<<

Unlike the UK, there was no legal requirement or facility to register a birth with the authorities. That's why mgnv has suggested looking on Familysearch for a baptism. Even if Samuel Pidgeon Jnr was baptised, the record may not have survived or be accessible via the internet.

Although we'd like to help or point you in the right direction, sometimes we have to concede that we've come up against a brick wall. It happens to us all!

Hi does gins refer to my request thanks paul

gins has posted their marriage transcription which gives father's names

It appears as though both the family of Selina Crumely and Samuel Pidgeon lived in America/Canada and came to England they married in liverpool England any help with their families in America/Canada thanks Paul

I could only find one likely record for Celina:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXR7-4QP
B Crumly M 29 Pennsylvania
S Crumly F 21 [Blank]
J W Crumly M 3 [Blank]
C Crumly F 1 [Blank]
Household ID: 477 , GS Film Number: 805188 , Digital Folder Number: 004293556 , Image Number: 00014

Head 100km N from Harrisburg PA, along the Susquehanna and you're in Union Co. Then head W for 15km, and you get to Mifflinburg.
If it's the right record, then there's probably no civil registration of births in Union County PA, but check:
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Pennsylvania_Vital_Records

Magnify image 4 clicks, then save:
https://archive.org/stream/populationschedu1188unix#page/n12/mode/1up

England & Wales Merchant Navy Crew Lists 1861-1913 Transcription
First name(s) Samuel
Last name Pigeon
Birth year 1845
Birth place Providence
Year 1869
Role Able Seaman
Vessel name Ontario
From date ? ? 1869
Vessel official number 42723
Vessel registration port Bridgwater
Vessel type Sail
Log book N
Owner's first name(s) & Bagehot
Owner's last name Stuckey
Owner's town Bridgwater
Owner's county Somerset
Record source Somerset Archives
Archive reference Box 12
Record set England & Wales Merchant Navy Crew Lists 1861-1913

EDIT - I put my original post on the wrong thread - I've removed it from here now.

Associated thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1353269

Wow lots to take in looks like Samuel was born in Canada i take it tha Selina Crumley was born in Liverpool thanks for help so far Paul

???

Samuel Pidgeon

in the Liverpool, England, Crew Lists 1861-1919


Name: Samuel Pidgeon
Age: 46
Birth Year: 1844
Birth Place: Liverpool
Event Date: 1890
Port of Registry: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ship Name: Bostonian (should be Venetian)
Official Number: 93797
Reference Number: 387CRE/133


Deserted in Boston on 14 July 1890.

Wonder if a relative bearing in mind the name of Selina's father?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Bernard
Last name Crumley
Relationship Soldier
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 23
Birth year 1868
Occupation Private Infantry
Birth town -
Birth county -
Birth place Ireland
Birth place other as transcribed IRELAND
Parish Portsea
City Portsmouth
County Hampshire
Registration district Portsea Island
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 877
Folio 101
Page 5

That birthplace may come from the 1901 census?

Samuel Pidgeon
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Kingston, Canada
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3424
Folio: 188
Page Number: 28
Household schedule number: 160
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Pidgeon

Another tree has this. They have the death certificate.

He was a rag gatherer of 249 Price Street, Birkenhead.




Samuel Pidgeon
Birth Bet. 1844–1849 in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
Death 9 Jun 1915 in Birkenhead Union Infirmary, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England, United Kingdom

The place of birth appears to have been taken from the 1911 census of a Samuel Pidgeon.



This is it.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
28 Bk St Anne St B'Head, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Samuel Pidgean Head Single Male Dealer Rogs And Bones 67 1844 Kingstawn Ant (Kingstown, Ont)
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Isac James Back Ram Lodger Single Male Dealer Rogs And Bones 73 1838 Birkenhead Cheshire
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Frank (should be Fredk) Pidgean Illignmate Son Og Grand Predgo - Male School 6 1905 Lpool Lancashire (Illigitimate son of Samuel Pidgeon)

Maybe?

Samuel Pigeon
Record Type: Crew
Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1845
Birth Place: Rhode Island, USA
Vessel Name: Ocoean
Vessel Type: Barque
Voyage Departure Date: 20 Jan 1870
Voyage Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Voyage Arrival Date: 19 Jul 1870
Voyage Arrival Port: Havre, France
Vessel Registration Number: H863069
Vessel Registration Place: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Year Vessel Constructed: 1863
Date Joined Present Ship: 20 Jan 1870
Place Joined Present Ship: Liverpool, England
Crew Number: 12
Literacy: Signed name
Completed What Signed On To Do?: No
Discharge Date: 11 Apr 1870
Discharge Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Discharge: Deserted
Registry of Last Ship: Scottish
Company From Last Ship: 0
Capacity (Rank): Able-bodied Seaman
Payment Type (Time): By the month
Wage: 215
Wage Currency: Sterling
Cash Advance: 107
Cash Advance Currency: Sterling

??1861 census


Name:Selina Crumbie
Age:4
Estimated birth year:1857
Relation:Daughter (Child)
Father's name:Bernard Crumbie
Mother's name:Catharine Crumbie
Gender:Female
Where born:Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish:St Matthias
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district:Liverpool
Sub-registration district:St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel:46
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:80
Piece:2656
Folio:45
Page Number:17
Household Members
Name
Age


Bernard Crumbie 38 Dock Labourer
Catharine Crumbie 28
Ann E Crumbie 8
Selina Crumbie 4
Mary E Crumbie 8/12

All born Liverpool



Name:Bernard Crumby
Age:Full Age
Marriage Date:3 Aug 1851
Parish:Liverpool, St Nicholas
Spouse's Name:Catherine Jones
Father's name:Patrick Crumby
Spouse Father's Name:John Jones
Reference Number:
283 NIC/3/42


Andy

A tree on ancestry has this. There are no records included.


Samuel Pidgeon
Birth abt 1844 in America
Death Apr 1915 in Union Infirmary, Birkenhead, Cheshire

FATHER

Samuel Pidgeon
– 1876




Selina Crumley
Birth ABT 1858 in Liverpool
Death ABT MAR 1935 in Liverpool


PARENTS

Bernard Crumley
1827 – 1899 b Ireland

Catherine Jones
1833 – b Liverpool

Thanks this looks like them how do i locate the birth place of selina crumley and smuel pidgeon Paul