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25 Jun 2015 16:04 |
will get on to that now
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Jacqueline
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25 Jun 2015 15:29 |
You asked for people researching the family
Look in search trees.........there are at least four apart from you with James in trees
Try making contact
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Jacqueline
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25 Jun 2015 15:24 |
The censuses (except 1881) posted above say she was born in IRELAND. Did you see that?
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dogsB
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25 Jun 2015 14:41 |
Hi thank you for all your help have just received birth certificate for James Gordine (gordion) Mother Mary Ann Courtney, father Arthur Samuel Gordine address 20 Devonshire street. Will order Marriage of Arthur & Mary very soon. If possible would someone please find Mary Ann Courtney with her father ( William ) in a senses to check there birth place to order birth certificate of Mary Ann Courtney. Much appreciated
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Gritty
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19 Jun 2015 06:34 |
On the 1885 School record George is younger than James:
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 Name: George Gordine Age: 2 Birth Date: 26 Feb 1882 School: Baker Street School Borough: Tower Hamlets Admission Date: 23 Feb 1885 Notes: Baker Street School (0348) opened in 1876. Closed in 1927 Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIv05/BAK/AD/006 Address: 10 Devonshire Street.
Just to confuse things, there are other entries for a George Gordine at the same school- but these have a different date of birth and father is listed as Robert.
I don't see anything further for your George (although he could be hidden with a different spelling of his surname). I did wonder if he had died as a young child?
I'm not sure about this, but will add just in case:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: George Gordine Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Registration Year: 1885 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 3 Registration district: Hendon with this Registration District Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 89
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18 Jun 2015 21:31 |
Cool 'I'm loving this Just took my grandson's home and having a well earned cupper, off to bed soon will get back tomorrow before taking grandsons shopping. and will look for George although George is older than James I think and should be on 1881 census. You are amazing
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Gritty
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18 Jun 2015 18:59 |
This is James with his parents in 1881 (living next door to the Courtney family)
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 20, Devonshire Street, St George in the East, London, England Samuel Goddine Head Married Male 21 1860 Cocoa Nut Opener (Fruiter) Shoreditch, Middlesex, Mary Ann Goddine Wife Married Female 19 1862 - Whitechapel, Middlesex, England James Goddine Son Single Male 0 1881 - St George in the East, Middlesex, England ----------------------------------------------------------------
Looking at the address above- the school record that you found for a James and George Gordine could be correct:
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 Name: James Gordine Age: 4 Birth Date: 19 Oct 1880 School: Baker Street School Borough: Tower Hamlets Admission Date: 23 Feb 1885 Notes: Baker Street School (0348) opened in 1876. Closed in 1927 Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIv05/BAK/AD/006 Address (for James and George): 10 Devonshire Street <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Gritty
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18 Jun 2015 18:23 |
This looks to be his Mum's 2nd marriage to John Barry:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Mary Ann Gordine Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Age: 37 Spouse: John Barry Spouse Age: 47 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 8 Jul 1895 Parish: St Philip, Stepney Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: William Courteney<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse Father: James Barry Register Type: Parish Register -------------------------------------------------------------------
Her first marriage:
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription Print transcription View image Attach to tree First name(s) MARY ANN Last name COURTNEY Marriage quarter 4 Marriage year 1879 MarriageFinder™ MARY ANN COURTNEY married one of these people EDWARD SULLIVAN, ARTHUR SAMUEL GORDON District WHITECHAPEL County London Country England Volume 1C Page 824 Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
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Gritty
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18 Jun 2015 18:05 |
When James marries Ellen he gives his address as 62 Cornwall Street. This is 62 Cornwall Street in 1901- seems his Mum may have remarried- the girls listed on the 1901 give their father as ARTHUR Samuel Gordine (Deceased) on their marriages.
Look at the witnesses on his marriage too- Mary A Barry and John Barry :D
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 62, Cornwall Street, St George in the East, London, England John Barry Head Married Male 57 1844 Dock Labourer Wapping, Middlesex, England Mary A Barry Wife Married Female 40 1861 Paper Sorter Ireland Mary A Goodine Step Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Paper Sorter London, England Annie Goodine Step Daughter Single Female 14 1887 Paper Sorter London, England -------------------------------------------------
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription Name(s) ARTHUR SAMUEL GORDINE Gender Male Birth year 1860 Age 29 Death quarter 2 Death year 1889 District ST. GEORGE IN THE EAST County London Volume 1C Page 222
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Jacqueline
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18 Jun 2015 13:04 |
'Deceased' fathers didn't always actually exist. Invented to keep the future in-laws happy.
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 112 Carr Street Stepney, Mile End Old Town, London, England
Birth place First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Stepney London James Gordine Head Married Male Carman Contractor's 28 1883 Transcription Stepney London Ellen Gordine Wife Married Female - 29 1882 Transcription Stepney London Mary Gordine Daughter - Female School 13 1898 Transcription Stepney London Auther Gordine Son - Male School 11 1900 Transcription Stepney London Ann Gordine Daughter - Female - 8 1903 Transcription Stepney London Ellen Gordine Daughter - Female - 4 1907
he doesn't seem very sure about his age..................born anywhere from 1878 to 1883
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dogsB
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18 Jun 2015 12:49 |
I have been given information as to Ambrose link but am looking for proof I have everything in documents as far back as James wedding to Ellen hood marrying James, Father Samuel is deceased on wedding certificate also believe James lied about his age due to his army records. At the moment I need to find James Gordine birth record to find mother's name, I have sent for one and hoping it's right one, then to find there marriage, Also haven't found him in census with father. Maybe the record I found on free ancestry days, James Gordine at school born 19/10/1880 could be him but no father listed there is a George Gordine right next to him. I have the death of Ellen and James Gordine. will study or your notes asap. Thank you for all your tome much appreciated
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Maddie
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18 Jun 2015 12:41 |
a tree on ancestry has this ???
Ambrose
1806 abt Shoreditch, Middlesex, England 2 Sources Marriage to Ann Farley 1829 11 Oct Age: 23 St John, Hackney 1 Source Residence 1851 Age: 45 Bethnal Green, London, England Age: 45; Relation to Head of House: Head 1 Source Residence 1861 Age: 55 Bethnal Green, London, England Age: 56; Relation to Head of House: Head 1 Source Residence 1877 4 Sep Age: 71 Bethnal Green Age: 73 Death 1879 Age: 73 Bethnal Green, London, England
Ann
1 Apr St John, Hackney 2 Sources Marriage to Ambrose Gordine 1829 11 Oct Age: 17 St John, Hackney 1 Source Residence 1851 Age: 39 Bethnal Green, London, England Age: 34; Relation to Head of House: Wife 1 Source Residence 1861 Age: 49 Bethnal Green, London, England Age: 49; Relation to Head of House: Wife Death 1864 3 May Age: 52 Bethnal Green, London, England
children
Ann Gordine 1830 – 1830
Sarah Gordine 1830 – 1830
Ambrose Gordine 1832 – 1920
Edward Gordine 1834 – 1912
John Gordine 1836 – 1912
William Gordine 1838 – 1917
Alfred Gordine 1840 – 1924
Jane Eliza Gordine 1845 –
Mary Ann Gordine 1847 – 1905
Robert Gordine 1849 – 1909
George Joseph Gordine 1851 – 1917
Elizabeth Gordine 1854 – 1856
Samuel Gordine 1859 –
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Maddie
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18 Jun 2015 12:34 |
Name: Ann Gordine Registration Year: 1864 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Bethnal Green Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: London Volume: 1c Page: 224
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Maddie
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18 Jun 2015 12:09 |
?????? Save Print Share Ambrose Gordine in the London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1828-1930 Record Image View Add alternate information Report issue Name: Ambrose Gordine Age: 72 Birth Year: abt 1801 Record Type: Orders of Removal Event Date: Abt 1873 Poor Law Union or Parish: Bethnal Green Residence: Bethnal Green Reference Number: BEBG/267/029 Save Print Share Ambrose Gordine in the London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1828-1930 Record Image View Add alternate information Report issue Name: Ambrose Gordine Age: 73 Birth Year: abt 1804 Record Type: Orders of Removal Event Date: 4 Sep 1877 Poor Law Union or Parish: Bethnal Green Reference Number: BEBG/267/031
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Maddie
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18 Jun 2015 11:58 |
relevant ?? Record Image View Add alternate information Report issue Name: Elizabeth Gordine Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1854 Father's name: Ambrose Gordine Mother's name: Ann Gordine Parish or Poor Law Union: St Matthias, Bethnal Green Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Registers
father a weaver, living at 2 Blackbird Alley Bethnal Green
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18 Jun 2015 11:50 |
Another spelling.
Ambrose is a Silk Weaver b Spitalfields
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Booth Street, Spitalfields, Whitechapel, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Ambrose Gourdine Head - Male 64 1807 - Middlesex, England Joseph Cooper Lodger - Male 63 1808 - Middlesex, England
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18 Jun 2015 11:49 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription St John Street, Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Ambrose Gordine Head Married Male 45 1806 Hand Loom Weaver Silk Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Transcription Ann Gordine Wife Married Female 39 1812 Hand Loom Weaver Silk Southwark, Surrey, England Transcription Ambrose Gordine Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Labourer Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Transcription John Gordine Son - Male 14 1837 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription Alfred Gordine Son - Male 11 1840 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription Jane Eliza Gordine Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription William Gordine Son - Male 9 1842 - Spitalfields, Middlesex, England Transcription Mary Ann Gordine Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription Robert Gordine Son - Male 2 1849 - Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
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18 Jun 2015 11:48 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 52, Sheridan Street, St George in the East, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Gordine Head Married Male 20 1881 Dock Labourer - Ellen Gordine Wife Married Female 20 1881 - - Transcription Mary Ann Gordine Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - -
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18 Jun 2015 11:41 |
James Gordine
in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Record Image View
Name: James Gordine Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Age: 19 Spouse: Ellen Hood Spouse Age: 17 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 17 Oct 1897 Parish: St Philip, Stepney Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Samuel Gordine Spouse Father: Alfred Hood Register Type: Parish Register
His father Samuel was deceased.
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18 Jun 2015 11:35 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 21, Swan Street, Bethnal Green, London, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Ambrose Gordine Head Married Male 56 1805 Silk Weaver Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription Ann Gordine Wife Married Female 49 1812 Silk Weaver Southwark, Surrey, England Transcription Mary Ann Gordine Daughter - Female 14 1847 Toy Maker Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription Robert Gordine Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Spitalfields, Middlesex, England Transcription George Gordine Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Transcription Samuel Gordine Son - Male 2 1859 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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