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Member Since: June 2015 Posts: 3 Send Message	Graeme	Report	15 Jun 2015 02:29
Member Since: June 2015 Posts: 3 Send Message	Any information on parents of Benjamin RAYNER born 1789 or 1791 Thornage Norfolk England. Graeme
Member Since: November 2013 Posts: 4 445 Send Message	JoonieCloonie	Report	15 Jun 2015 02:38
	Hello and welcome Graeme Can you tell us where you have looked for information, and how you have the information about Benjamin (from a census?) and if you are asking for help from other members, did you mean to say 'please'?
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Member Since: November 2013 Posts: 4 445 Send Message	JoonieCloonie	Report	15 Jun 2015 02:40
	had you looked at familysearch.org? This seems a rather likely match for your info https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNDF-FHW Name: Benjamin Rayner Gender: Male Christening Date: 08 Dec 1787 Christening Place: Thornage, Norfolk, England Father's Name: John Rayner Mother's Name: Mary Williams
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Member Since: November 2013 Posts: 4 445 Send Message	JoonieCloonie	Report	15 Jun 2015 02:49
	you will find a very large number of christenings of other children of the couple by searching for Rayner baptisms in Thornage Norfolk with parents John and Mary, 1780-1800 there is a 1783 marriage there of John Rayner to Mary Williamson in Kelling that is likely the right couple Kelling and Thornage appear to be about 5 miles apart
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31 288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 Jun 2015 08:51
	Welcome to the boards Graeme. From Ancestry........ Rayner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Rayner Gender:Female Baptism Date:7 Jan 1785 Baptism Place:Thornage, Norfolk, England Father:John Rayner Mother:Mary FHL Film Number:1526778 Reference ID:item 12 Elizabeth Rayner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Elizabeth Rayner Gender:Female Baptism Date:3 Apr 1786 Baptism Place:Thornage, Norfolk, England Father:John Rayner Mother:Mary Williams FHL Film Number:1657227 Reference ID:item 4 Benjamin Rayner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Benjamin Rayner Gender:Male Baptism Date:8 Dec 1787 Baptism Place:Thornage, Norfolk, England Father:John Rayner Mother:Mary Williams FHL Film Number:1657227 Reference ID:item 4 Possibly Benjamin's marriage transcribed as "Rainner" ?? Benjamin Rainer mentioned in the record of Benjamin Rainer and Mary Pearce Name: Benjamin Rainer Spouse's Name: Mary Pearce Event Date: 23 May 1825 Event Place: Gayton, Norfolk, England (I see his children were born on Gayton) William Rayner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:William Rayner Gender:Male Birth Date:4 Jun 1792 Birth Place:Thornage, Norfolk, England Father: John Rayner Mother: Mary Williams FHL Film Number:1526778 Reference ID:item 12 Ellen Rayner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Ellen Rayner Gender:Female Baptism Date:3 Jan 1794 Baptism Place:Thornage, Norfolk, England Father: John Rayner Mother: Mary Williams FHL Film Number:1657227 Reference ID:item 4 Mary Rayner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Mary Rayner Gender:Female Baptism Date:1 Jun 1795 Baptism Place:Thornage, Norfolk, England Father: John Rayner Mother: Mary Williams FHL Film Number:1526778 Reference ID:item 12 Samuel Rayner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Samuel Rayner Gender:Male Baptism Date:6 May 1799 Baptism Place:Thornage, Norfolk, England Father:John Rayner Mother:Mary Williams FHL Film Number:1526778 Reference ID:item 12 Thomas Rayner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Thomas Rayner Gender:Male Baptism Date:6 May 1799 Baptism Place:Thornage, Norfolk, England Father:John Rayner Mother:Mary Williams FHL Film Number:1526778 Reference ID:item 12 Adam Rayner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Adam Rayner Gender:Male Baptism Date:20 May 1797 Baptism Place:Thornage, Norfolk, England Father:John Rayner Mother:Mary Williams FHL Film Number:1657227 Reference ID:item 4
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31 288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 Jun 2015 09:25
	Adam Rainer in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name:Adam Rainer Gender:Male Marriage Date:12 Oct 1819 Marriage Place:Stody, Norfolk, England Spouse: Mary Ann Bell FHL Film Number:1657227 Reference ID:item 1 p39 Adam and his family on the 1851 census....... Name:Adam Rayner Age:52 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1799 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Mary Anne Rayner Gender:Male Where born:Thornage, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:Stody County/Island:Norfolk Country:England Registration district:Erpingham Sub-registration district:North Walsham Household Members: Adam Rayner 52 (Shepherd) Mary Anne Rayner 52 Ball Rayner 29 (Beth ? on the image) Although it states "Son" Robert Rayner 18 George Rayner 16 Adam Rayner 9 Elizabeth Rayner 10 Samuel Rayner 8 Adam Rayner in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 Name:Adam Rayner Registration Year:1859 Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district:Erpingham Inferred County:Norfolk Volume:4b Page:61 Adam Rayner in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 Name:Adam Rayner Age:47 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1799 Date of Trial:18 Mar 1846 Trial Year:1846 Location of Trial:Norfolk, England Offence: Sheep Stealing.........Not Guilty Sentence:Acquittal PM sent to Graeme to let him know he has received replies.
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31 288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 Jun 2015 11:57
	There are 2 possible marriage for William Rayner born 1792 William Rayner England, Norfolk Bishop's Transcripts Name: William Rayner Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 09 Dec 1828 Event Place: Thornage, Norfolk, England Gender: Male Spouse's Name: Martha Bangay William Rainer mentioned in the record of William Rainer and Martha Stimpson Name: William Rainer Spouse's Name: Martha Stimpson Event Date: 23 Jan 1821 Event Place: Stody, Norfolk, England Perhaps he married twice. William Rainer in the 1841 England Census Name:William Rainer Age:45 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1796 Gender:Male Where born:Norfolk, England Civil Parish:Stody Hundred:Holt County/Island:Norfolk Country:England Registration district:Erpingham Sub-registration district:Holt Household Members: William Rainer 45 (Ag Lab) Martha Rainer 40 Mary Rainer 11 William Rainer 9 George Rainer 7 Hannah Rainer 4 Susannah Rainer 6 Mo Mary Rainer England Births and Christenings Name: Mary Rainer Gender: Female Christening Date: 12 Dec 1830 Christening Place: Stodey, Norwich, Norfolk, England Father's Name: William Rainer Mother's Name: Martha William Rainer England Births and Christenings Name: William Rainer Gender: Male Christening Date: 18 Jun 1832 Christening Place: Stodey, Norfolk, England Father's Name: William Rainer Mother's Name: Martha Rainer George Rayner England Births and Christenings Name: George Rayner Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 Dec 1834 Christening Place: Stody, Norfolk, England Father's Name: William Rayner Mother's Name: Martha Hannah Maria Rayner England Births and Christenings Name: Hannah Maria Rayner Gender: Female Christening Date: 24 Jun 1837 Christening Place: Stody, Norfolk, England Father's Name: William Rayner Mother's Name: Martha Name:Susannah Rayner Gender:Female Baptism Date:31 Jan 1841 Baptism Place:Stody, Norfolk, England Father's Name: William Rayner Mother's Name: Martha William Rayner in the 1851 England Census Name:William Rayner Age:55 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1796 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Martha Rayner Gender:Male Where born:Thornage, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:Stody County/Island:Norfolk Country:England Registration district:Erpingham Sub-registration district:North Walsham Household Members: William Rayner 55 (Ag Lab) Martha Rayner 52 Mary Rayner 20 William Rayner 18 George Rayner 15 Maria Rayner 13 Susan Rayner 10 Anna Rayner 1week (Granddaughter) Robert Franklin 20 (Lodger) If William did marry both Martha's.......perhaps these baptism's are children from his first marriage......... James Rayner England Births and Christenings Name: James Rayner Gender: Male Christening Date: 03 Feb 1822 Christening Place: Thornage, Norfolk, England Father's Name: William Rayner Mother's Name: Martha John Rainer England Births and Christenings Name: John Rainer Gender: Male Christening Date: 11 Feb 1821 Christening Place: Stody, Norfolk, England Father's Name: William Rainer Mother's Name: Martha As Joonie mentioned, you can check out all these baptism's on the FamilySearch site.
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31 288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 Jun 2015 13:24
	The marriage of Elizabeth Rayner baptised 1876 ??? Elizabeth Rayner in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name:Elizabeth Rayner Gender:Female Marriage Date: 13 Oct 1818 Marriage Place:Cley Next Sea, Norfolk, England Spouse: Robert Coe FHL Film Number:1278919 Reference ID:item 2 p 10 Elizabeth Coe in the 1851 England Census Name:Elizabeth Coe Age:68 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1783 Relation:Head Gender:Female Where born:Thornage, Norfolk, England <<<<< Civil Parish:Cley next the Sea County/Island:Norfolk Country:England Registration district:Erpingham Sub-registration district:North Walsham Household Members: Elizabeth Coe 68 (Widow) Sarah Coe 26 (Daughter...Unmarried) Elizabeth Coe 5 (Granddaughter) Elizabeth Cox in the 1861 England Census Name:Elizabeth Cox>>>>>Elizabeth Coe on the image<<<<< Age:77 Estimated Birth Year:1784 Relation:Head Gender:Female Where born:Great Thornage, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:Cley County/Island:Norfolk Country:England Registration district:Erpingham Sub-registration district:Holt Household Members: Elizabeth Cox 77 (Widow) Sarah Cox 35 Burthana Cox 4 (Barthanna Jeary Coe) Granddaughter) Elizabeth Coe in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 Name:Elizabeth Coe Estimated Birth Year:abt 1781 Registration Year:1866 Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death:85 Registration district:Erpingham Inferred County:Norfolk Volume:4b Page:55 Sarah Coe in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:Sarah Coe Gender:Female Baptism Date:11 Jul 1824 Baptism Place:Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England Father:Robert Coe Mother:Elizabeth Rayner FHL Film Number:1951374 Reference ID:item 314 p 40 William Coe in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name:William Coe Gender:Male Baptism Date:1 Nov 1819 Baptism Place:Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England Father:Robert Coe Mother:Elizabeth Rayner FHL Film Number:1951374 Reference ID:item 179 p 23
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: November 2013 Posts: 4 445 Send Message	JoonieCloonie	Report	15 Jun 2015 13:44
	all of those being at family search and so easily findable there, and being what I referred to, and me imagining that Graeme might enjoy finding them himself :-)
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31 288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 Jun 2015 14:36
	I understand what you are saying Joonie. When I first started out on here I didn't have a clue. Even when I was pointed to FamilySearch and FreeBmD, I didn't know how to search. Once information was posted for me, I was then able to double check the info and begin working things out for myself. That's my reason behind it.......And It's always best to double check any info posted anyway. :-)
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Member Since: June 2015 Posts: 3 Send Message	Graeme	Report	16 Jun 2015 04:16
Member Since: June 2015 Posts: 3 Send Message	To JoonieCloonie and PricklyHolly, sorry I omitted to say "please" in my request. What two remarkable people you are. I thank you for the information you have sent and will take time to go through it. I have information going back to my great grandfather, Benjamin Adam RAYNER 1832 to 1911 who married Mary Ann HARROD 1835 to ? in 1859. Then it becomes vague to great, great, grandfather Benjamin RAYNER 1789 or 1791 to 1862 and his wife Mary (maybe PEARCE 1793 to 1874. Thanking you both again. Graeme
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31 288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	16 Jun 2015 11:40
	I have double checked the image of the 1851 census. Adam's son transcribed as Ball (Born abt 1822 Field Dalling, Norfolk)...... actually reads Bell. I believe he is Benjamin Bell Rayner who married in 1852. Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%) Herring Sarah Erpingham 4b 113 RAYNER Benjamin Bell Erpingham 4b 113 Benjamin Rayner in the 1861 England Census Name:Benjamin Rayner Age:40 Estimated Birth Year:1821 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Sarah Rayner Gender:Male Where born:Field Dalling, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:Hunworth County/Island:Norfolk Country:England Registration district:Erpingham Sub-registration district:Holt Household Members: Benjamin Rayner 40 (Agricutural Labourer) Sarah Rayner 40 John Rayner 4 Benjamin Rayner 2 George Rayner 7/12
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17 958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	16 Jun 2015 12:22
	(and not forgetting below, can be good for Norfolk!) http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl County Norfolk Place Kelling Church St Mary RegisterNumber 30 MarriageDate 10 Nov 1783 GroomForename John GroomSurname RAYNER GroomParish Warham GroomCondition Bachelor GroomAbode Wareham All Sts BrideForename Mary BrideSurname WILLIAMSON BrideParish Kelling BrideCondition Spinster BrideAbode Kelling WitnessOneForename John WitnessOneSurname PLUMTON WitnessTwoForename Susanna WitnessTwoSurname WILLIAMSON Notes By Banns All Parties Except First Witness Signed By Mark Chris :) (is this your query?, from google search) My name is Graeme Rayner, I live in Australia, and I'm trying to trace back the RAYNER family to my great, great, great, grandfather. At the same time I'm trying to connect with Captain Richard Woodget (Cutty Sark), who was a second cousin to my grandfather. This is as far as I can go from my grandfather - Walter Rayner 1874 to 1949 married Sophia Lawrence 1877 to 1964. - Benjamin Adam Rayner 1832 to 1911 married Mary Ann Harrod 1835 to ?. - Benjamin Rayner 1789 to 1862 married Mary A ? 1793 to 1874. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORFOLK/2015-05/1430713063 County Norfolk Place Burnham Overy Church St Clements RegisterNumber 132 MarriageDate 22 Sep 1871 GroomForename Richard GroomSurname WOODGET GroomAge 25 GroomParish Burnham Overy GroomCondition Bachelor GroomOccupation Seaman GroomAbode Burnham Overy BrideForename Maria BrideSurname SMITH BrideAge 27 BrideParish Burnham Overy BrideCondition Widow BrideOccupation Dressmaker BrideAbode Burnham Overy GroomFatherForename Richard GroomFatherSurname WOODGET GroomFatherOccupation Labourer BrideFatherForename John BrideFatherSurname RAVEN BrideFatherOccupation Labourer WitnessOneForename Rose WitnessOneSurname TUCK WitnessTwoForename John WitnessTwoSurname BOND (looking at 1851, possibly below) Baptism County Norfolk Place Burnham Norton Church St Margaret RegisterNumber 185 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 27 Sep 1846 Forename Richard Sex M FatherForename Richard MotherForename Cecilia FatherSurname WOODGATE MotherSurname Abode Burnham Norton FatherOccupation Labourer
Member Since: November 2013 Posts: 4 445 Send Message	JoonieCloonie	Report	16 Jun 2015 16:45
	Hi again Graeme and you're very welcome :-) for your 'second cousin' query, this chart is very useful http://www.cousincouples.com/?page=relation true second cousins share great-grandparents - their grandparents were siblings, their parents were first cousins ... but people often say 'second cousin' when they mean 'first cousin once removed' or the like so when you say second cousin, is it your understanding that your grandfather and Captain Richard Woodget had grandparents who were siblings? to have that precise a relationship pinned down, someone must have known what the relationship was! as Chris has found, Richard's parents were Richard Woodgate and Cecilia, so the connection could be through either one of them and then it could be through either one of his father's parents or either one of his mother's parents - one of those people was a sibling of your grandfather ... if the connection is with the Rayner line This looks like the marriage of the parents of Capt Woodget: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXNX-LHH Name: Richard Woodgate Spouse's Name: Celia Gage Event Date: 21 Nov 1831 Event Place: St. Margaret'S, Lynn, Norfolk, England so possibly one of their mothers was a Rayner ... in fact there were two Ms Rayner + Mr Gage marriages about at that same time in Norfolk (again from familysearch) Charlotte Rayner marriage: 28 July 1827 Beeston, Norfolk, England spouse: William Gage Mary Elizabeth Rayner marriage: 29 October 1831 Lammas, Norfolk, England spouse: James Gage so ... I wonder whether the relationship was rather in-laws if Capt Woodget's mother's brothers married Rayners, for instance do you know the names Charlotte Rayner and Mary Elizabeth Rayner from that period?
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Member Since: November 2013 Posts: 4 445 Send Message	JoonieCloonie	Report	16 Jun 2015 16:51
	https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ3L-4B2 Name: Charlotte Rayner Gender: Female Christening Date: 10 Aug 1805 Christening Place: Lammas with Little Hautbois, Norfolk, England Father's Name: John Rayner Mother's Name: Ann Rayner https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXR7-93J Name: Mary Elizabeth Rayner Gender: Female Christening Date: 25 Apr 1810 Christening Place: Lammas with Little Hautbois, Norfolk, England Father's Name: John Rayner Mother's Name: Anne John and Ann also seem to have had children John Benjamin George William Henry Charles is one of them your ancestor? if so it would seem that Capt Woodget may have been a son of your ancestor's sister's sister-in-law. :-) (but there could be a connection in the previous generation that would make them blood relations) (those relationships can be very fun to trace ... the family of my great-grandfather's sister's in-laws have given me years of entertainmnet!)
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Member Since: November 2013 Posts: 4 445 Send Message	JoonieCloonie	Report	16 Jun 2015 17:27
	this appears to be Celia Gage Woodget's death Deaths Mar 1893 Woodgate Cecilia 82 King's L. 4b 237 so she was born c1811 trying to find her birth/baptism to try to determine whether the two Mr Gages who married the two Ms Rayners were her brothers, but no luck so far
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Member Since: June 2015 Posts: 3 Send Message	Graeme	Report	18 Jun 2015 04:46
Member Since: June 2015 Posts: 3 Send Message	I think I'll have to sleep on it . It's starting to make my head burst! But thanks for your help. Graeme.

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