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Hi Sue, not sure I'm following the information for the Miller marriage, but don't have time to check further today.

This was the military record for John on Ancestry (Britain)- there's quite a few pages:

Name: John Campbell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1885
Birth Place: Whittington Moor, Derbyshire, England
Enlistment Age: 18
Document Year: 1903
Regimental Number: 8764
Regiment Name: Notts and Derby (Sherwood Foresters) Regiment
Number of Images: 17
Form Title: Short Service Attestation

Enjoy your holiday :-)

Will be away for a week from tomorrow..

Gritty,

Which Country was John W P Campbell service papers from please.

Gritty,

Sorry I haven't answered before now..been really busy.

Yes the above Mary E Titlow /Rundle marriage is correct,she just keeps lying about her age/yr of birth.

After him she marries again in 1913as Mary E Brown
And I am almost 100% sure this is right

Mary E Brown in the Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952

Name: Mary E Brown
[Mary E Park??]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Year: abt 1879
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 28 Apr 1913
Marriage Place: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Age: 34
Residence Place: Detroit, Michigan
Father: Wm Park??
Mother: Mary E
Spouse: Wm R Miller
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Race: White
Spouse Age: 27
Spouse Birth Place: England
Spouse Residence Place: Detroit, Michigan
Spouse Father: William
Spouse Mother: Anna
Record Number: 93238
Film: 116
Film Description: 1913 St Joseph - 1913 Wayne

Mary Miller in the 1920 United States Federal Census


Name: Mary Miller
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: England
Home in 1920: Detroit Ward 18, Wayne, Michigan
Street: Recker
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1913
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: William R Miller
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: None
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
William R Miller 43
Mary Miller 40
Nora Miller 8[9]
Maude Miller 5
William Miller 4
Charles Miller 1

On this US Census if you look she puts Nora Brown then crosses it out and puts Nora Miller


Mary E Miller
United States Social Security Death Index
Age: 87
Given Name: Mary
Middle Name: E
Surname: Miller
Birth Date: 06 Sep 1881
State: Pennsylvania
Last Place of Residence: Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Previous Residence Postal Code: 15226
Event Date: 15 Jan 1968

I hope I have the right person marrying Miller.

The Mary Ellen / William Tremayne marriage is correct. On John Campbell's service papers he lists his next of kin as Mother- Ellen Tremayne, Step father Willie, Sister (can't read), living Lee Street, Charter's Towers Birsbane.

John marries in 1919:

Name: John Campbell
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1919
Marriage Place: Weber, Utah, United States
Father: Wm H Campbell
Mother: Mary Ellen Titlow
Spouse: Lilia Vallance Auld
FHL Film Number: 1670860
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No idea if this is connected- states that she hasn't been previously married, so maybe not the correct person:

Marriage
Name: Wm. H. Rundle
Age (Expanded): 29 years
Birth Year: 1880
Birthplace: England
Spouse's Name: Mary E. Titlow
Spouse's Age (Expanded): 39 years
Spouse's Birth Year: 1870
Spouse's Birthplace: England
Event Date: 19 Jun 1909
Event Place: Houghton, Houghton, Michigan
Father's Name: John Rundle
Mother's Name: Louisa Clemes
Spouse's Father's Name: Peter Titlow
Spouse's Mother's Name: Alice Batten
GS Film number: 2342684 , Digital Folder Number: 4209122 , Image Number: 515 , Reference ID: v 2 p 29 rn 348

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wimis Shop, Trebarvah, Constantine, Falmouth, Cornwall, England

Mary E Tremayne Head Married Female 27 1864 - Chesterfield, Northamptonshire, England
Mary Tremayne Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Australia
Annie G Tremayne Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Chesterfield, Northamptonshire, England
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Trebarvah Woon, Constantine, Falmouth, Cornwall, England
Jane Tremayne Head Widow Female 76 1825 Farmer Wendron, Cornwall, England
Jane Tremayne Daughter Single Female 54 1847 - Constantine, Cornwall,
Mary Tremayne Grand Daughter - Female 13 1888 Scholar - Queensland, Charter Towers
Annie G Tremayne Grand Daughter - Female 11 1890 Scholar Derbyshire, England
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Trebarvah Woon Constantine Penryn, Constantine, Cornwall, England
Wendron Cornwall Jane Reed Tremayne Head Widow Female 86 1825
Constantine Cornwall Jane Tremayne Daughter Single Female 64 1847 Dressmaker
Charters Tower Queenslannd Resident Mary Tremayne Boarder Single Female 23 1888 Domestic Worker

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Mary Ellen Tremayne
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1905
Subdistrict: Charters Towers
State: Queensland
District: Kennedy
Country: Australia

William Tremayne miner at Lea Street.
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Name: William Tremayne
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1908
Subdistrict: Charters Towers
State: Queensland
District: Kennedy
Country: Australia

Also in Lea Street- but no Mary Ellen with him. He's later (from 1913 living Conclurry)

Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Mary Tremayne
Birth Date: 08 Apr 1887
Father's name: William Tremayne
Mother's name: Mary Ellen Titlow
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 14949
Registration Number: 005175

Gritty,

I don't think the last post is my lot as John W P Campbell was already in the UK IN 1911 see my 1st post,

Your post with John ???? going to San Francisco is the right one.


But I saw in the marriages a marriage for a William Tremayne to Mary Ellen Campbell in 1889 Queensland..

Just wonder if either Mary Ellen divorces W H L Campbell.and marries William Tremayne. which is more than likely my Mary Ellen..

If it is mine she has really mucked my tree up as there is a Mary Ellen Titlow Tremayne in USA which is mine.

And I thought the Mary Ellen Titlow Tremayne was my grand aunts daughter taking her mother's year of birth as she has disappeared from Derbyshire in 1881.

Gosh what a family I have.My cousin's won't believe it all.


This the marriage in Mitchigan USA that I think is my Mary Ellen T TREMAYNE..

Name: Mary E Tremayne
[Mary Titlow]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Year: abt 1866
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 8 Jul 1905
Marriage Place: Houghton, Houghton, Michigan, USA
Age: 39
Residence Place: Calumet
Father: Peter Titlow
Mother: Alice Madden
Spouse: Thomas Brown
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Race: White
Spouse Age: 43
Spouse Birth Place: England
Spouse Residence Place: Calumet
Spouse Father: Geo Brown
Spouse Mother: Phillippi Bond
Record Number: 361

Mary E Titlow in the Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952

Then she goes on to marry the chap below.
Name: Mary E Titlow
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Year: abt 1870
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1909
Marriage Place: Houghton, Houghton, Michigan, USA
Age: 39
Residence Place: Quincy Mine
Father: Peter Titlow
Mother: Alice Batten
Spouse: Wm H Rundle
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Race: White
Spouse Age: 29
Spouse Birth Place: England
Spouse Residence Place: Quincy Mine
Spouse Father: John Rundle
Spouse Mother: Louisa Clemes
Record Number: 348
Film: 98

This might also be worth looking into: passenger list in 1911:

William H Campbell 62
Mary Campbell 54
John Campbell 25
Constance C Campell 19

Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 15 Jun 1911
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Themistocles
Shipping line: Aberdeen and Commonwealth Line
Official Number: 129349

Perhaps William was a commission agent for an auction house:

Queensland Miscellaneous Licences 1860-1899 Transcription
First name(s) W. Hy. L.
Last name Campbell
Year 1885
Date 28 February 1885
Location Cloncurry<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Type Auctioneers
Page 659
Volume XXXVI
State Queensland
Country Australia
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John??
California, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1959
Name: John Campbell (Last permanent residence Clonclurry) <<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1885
Birth Place: Chesterfield, England
Age: 32
Arrival Date: 13 Aug 1917
Port of Arrival: San Francisco
Ship Name: Sierra
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Destination: Lead, South Dakota, USA
Last Residence: AUS Island

So that means to say that's why her younger brother went to Queensland in early 1890.

So Mary Ellen must have come back and had John W P then taken him back so will look for him coming back from OZ AROUND 1899/1900.

Thanks all to all your help.

This child was registered Queensland:

Year 1884 Reg# C7888
name(s) Harriett Alice Campbell
Father William Henry Lawrence
Mother Mary Ellen Titlow

Found by searching here:
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/

This is the entry on Ancestry:

Name: Harriett Alice Campbell
Birth Date: 19 Dec 1883
Father's name: William Henry Lawrence Campbell
Mother's name: Mary Ellen Titlow
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 2198
Registration Number: 007888

She's listed as Mary Ellen- married in Queensland 1882:

Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name: William Henry Laurence Campbell
Spouse Name: Mary Ellen Tittow
Marriage Date: 11 Oct 1882
Marriage Place: Queensland
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Number: 000915
Page Number: 2228

On the birth cert for occupation it says Commission Agent,

\They must have been married because it says Mother Ellen Campbell formerly Titlow

Sue, what was William's occupation on the birth certificate?

Thanks alviegal.

But that still leaves the man in Queensland that may be worth investigating.

Gritty, that person appears to be this man.

Name: William Henry Campbell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 okt 1839 (20 Oct 1839)
Birth Place: Sydney
Death Date: 24 okt 1913 (24 Oct 1913)
Death Age: 74
Spouse: Augusta Elizabeth Biddulph



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lancaster Gate, Paddington, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Wm Henry Campbell Head Married Male 51 1840 Magistrate & Barrister At Law Sydney, Australia
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Augusta Elizth Campbell Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Middlesex, England
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Helen Campbell Daughter Single Female 20 1871 - Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Margaret Campbell Daughter Single Female 19 1872 - Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Robert Ormus Campbell Son Single Male 18 1873 Lt 3rd Bath Royal Welsh Fusiliers Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Violet Campbell Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Scholar Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Herbert Campbell Son Single Male 16 1875 Scholar Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Wm Orr Campbell Son Single Male 14 1877 Scholar Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Wm Ayres Servant Widower Male 55 1836 Butler Domestic Servant Middlesex, England
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Thos Alger Servant Single Male 22 1869 Domestic Servant Footman Middlesex, England
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Martha Golding Servant Single Female 24 1867 Cook Domestic Servant Evenley, Northamptonshire, England
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Elizth Oglesby Servant Single Female 30 1861 Housemaid Domestic Servant Gedney, Lincolnshire, England
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Annie Chapman Servant Single Female 20 1871 Housemaid Domestic Servant Blackmoor, Hampshire, England
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Eleanor Mary Kemp Servant Single Female 27 1864 Ladies Maid Domestic Servant Norfolk, England
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Emily Marie Clarke Servant Single Female 32 1859 Ladies Maid Domestic Servant Salford, Lancashire, England
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Mary King Servant Single Female 20 1871 Kitchen Maid Domestic Servant Cobham, Surrey, England
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Violet Elizth Oconnor Visitor Single Female 15 1876 Dressmaker Apprentice Middlesex, England




1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30, Lancaster Gate, Paddington, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William H Campbell Head Married Male 61 1840 Living On Own Means J P For Berks -
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Augusta E Campbell Wife Married Female 53 1848 - London, Middlesex, England
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Helen Forbes Daughter Married Female 30 1871 - Buscot, Berkshire, England
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William O Campbell Son Single Male 24 1877 - Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Hilda G G Wardas Visitor Single Female 23 1878 - Lincolnshire, England
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Harriet S Sparke Servant Single Female 36 1865 Ladys Maid Domestic Brixton, Surrey, England
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Alfred A Cubitt Servant Single Male 39 1862 Butler Domestic Norfolk, England
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Bertram Staplehurst Servant Single Male 21 1880 Footman Domestic London, Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth Plester Servant Single Female 33 1868 Cook Domestic London, Middlesex, England
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Sarah Selwood Servant Married Female 56 1845 House Keeper Domestic Hampton, Oxfordshire, England
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Louisa E Flint Servant Single Female 24 1877 House Maid Domestic Dagenham, Essex, England
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Lilian S Holt Servant Single Female 20 1881 House Maid Domestic Paddington, Middlesex, England
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Rose E Parsons Servant Single Female 19 1882 Kitchen Maid Domestic Paddington, Middlesex, England
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30 Lancaster Gate W, Paddington, London, England

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Birth Place First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation
New South Wales Sydney William Henry Campbell Head Widower Male 71 1840 Private Means
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Berks Buscot Herbert Campbell Son Single Male 36 1875 Private Means
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Sussex Brighton Montage Ormond Forbes Son In Law Single Male 44 1867 Private Means
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Berks Buscot Helen Forbes Daughter Married Female 40 1871 -
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London 30 Lancaster Gate Fergus Courtenay Forbes Grandson - Male 12 1899 -
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London Eccleston Square Louisa Harriett Biddulph Sister In Law Single Female 53 1858 Private Means
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Northumberland Bedington Alice Atkinson Servant Single Female 34 1877 Parlourmaid
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London Notting Hill Florence de Beger Servant Single Female 21 1890 Parlourmaid
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Bucks Amersham Jane Elburn Servant Single Female 23 1888 Cook
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Wapping Florence Chipperfield Servant Single Female 22 1889 Housemaid
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London Rotherville Florence Garland Servant Single Female 18 1893 Housemaid
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Scotland Edinburgh Agnes Casey Servant Single Female 21 1890 Kitchen Maid
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Cambridge Wisbeach Edith Russell Servant Single Female 23 1888 Ladies Maid
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Sussex Horsham Martha Wheeler Nurse Sick Single Female 49 1862 Nurse Hospital
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Cambridge Grander Annie Baxter Nurse Sick Widow Female 51 1860 Nurse Hospital
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North London Harkingay Alfred George Pegrin Servant - Male 14 1897 House Boy
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5 Berkeley Mews London Caroline Wickens Servant Single Female 21 1890 Housemaid
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Devon Exeter Ruth Buckingham - Single Female 25 1886 Needlewoman

Gritty,,

How can someone be Widowed then put years married 0..
That doesn't make sense does it...

What was William's occupation on his son's birth certificate?

This from Trove:
The Week (Brisbane, Qld. : 1876 - 1934) Saturday 21 December 1878
"William Henry Lawrence Campbell to be district registrar for Blackall"