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Hi everyone.
Just want an objective opinion please.
The family in 1841 are my husband's relatives. I am wondering if the Susan A Myatt in 1851 is related, as Presumably Myatts born in Switzerland and living in Lancashire aren't overly common! Possibly a daughter?
In fact, I do wonder if she is actually the same person as the 1841 Amelia Myatt,
1841
Name: Amelia Myatt
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Gender: Female
Where born: Foreign Parts
Civil Parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
James Myatt 35
Constance Myatt 35 (born Switzerland)
Amelia Myatt 14
Sigemand Myatt 10
Harriet Myatt 12
Maria Myatt 70
1851
Name: Susan A Myatt
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Governess (Employee)
Where born: Switzerland
Civil Parish: Broughton
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Broughton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Just to add, Harriette is also a governess by 1861.
I have tentatively assumed this is Amelia's death:
Deaths Dec 1859 (>99%)
Myatt Amelia Chorlton 8c 358
Thanks!
Jan x
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I think you are right and Susan A. Myatt is probably Susan Amelia. I can't find anyone else that fits.
Kath. x
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I'd go with her being Susan Amelia, or Amelia Susan, and doing the helpful thing of being known by more than one of her forenames....
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Thanks Kath & Kucinta. I thought so too, but you know how easy it is to get carried away!
Much appreciated.
Jan x
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not sure if it helps at all, but here is that Amelia's death from lancsbmd
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1859
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
MYATT Amelia 31 Chorlton-on-Medlock Manchester CHO/37/262
Family Search have the Parish Records for some at leas of the Chorlton-on-Medlock churches ......... they are not indexed, so you have to search page by page
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F
%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2FM6FH-
HNL%3A143838901%3Fcc%3D1788853
scroll down to Chorlton upon Medlock
there MIGHT be some information in the Parish record IF they have it.
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I think you are right and they are one and the same person.
I also think that the death you have found is correct.
Dea x
P.S. - while I was 'digging around' for info on them I came across this which you probably have but I will post it just in case:
Marriage: 27 Jun 1863 St Saviour, Chorlton on Medlock, Lancashire, England
Alfred Coignou - Full, Professor of Languages, Bachelor, Brunswick St.
Harriett Myatt - Full, Spinster, Brunswick St.
Groom's Father: Frederick Coignou, Deceased, Merchant
Bride's Father: James Myatt, Engineer
Witness: Roger Snead?; Matilda Mallison
Married by Banns by: W. Carpenter D.D.
Register: Marriages 1838 - 1876, Page 141, Entry 281
Source: LDS Family Search
Dea x
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Many thanks for your input, Sylvia & Dea.
I have never explored Lancashire records, will take a look at those, thanks.
Dea, I had found the marriage but only on Freebmd, so that's very much appreciated, thank you.
Jan x
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Two brilliant sites for Lancashire info:
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
The marriage was on the second one .
Dea x
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Here's something a bit odd:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1863
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MYATT Harriette COIGNON Alfred Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library MCR_RM/54/154
MYATT Harriette COIGNOU Alfred Chorlton-on-Medlock, St. Saviour Archives+, Manchester Central Library 45/1/281
The format of most local refs is:
1) a code indicating the church (or subdistrict for B's & D's) - 45 here which this site decodes for you as Chorlton-on-Medlock, St. Saviour
2) a register #, so it's the first rego here
3) an entry # (281 here) or page # - marrs usually have an entry # so it's possible to say who wed whom (B/D regos have 500 entries at 5 per page).
Go to:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
As Sylvia notes, not all registers in FS's collection are indexed, so "Browse through 248,202 images" down the following path:
England, Lancashire, Ches...rish Registers, 1603-1910 > Lancashire > Chorlton upon Medlock, St Saviour > Marriages, 1838-1876 > Image 141 of 250
In spite of the title, the collection's really just records from the Diocese of Manchester.
NB As we know it's entry 281, and there's 2 entries per page, we should expect the image to be 141 in sequence (or thereabouts) and it is.
So why 2 marrs??
Pre-1899, only C of E, jews & quakers (plus the registrar) were authorized to keep official marr registers, so a registrar would have to attend any non-conformist marr withh his official rego for the couple to sign to conclude the ceremony.
Of course, the church could keep their own (unofficial) marr register, and some did - this could be in unofficial form e.g., latin for RC churches.
Post-1898, non-conformists could apply to be authorized to keep official marr registers, although the RC chose not to apply until the 1980s (I think).
I would think a marr in some other faith more likely than a rego office marr for these folk.
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Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1859
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
MYATT Amelia 31 Chorlton-on-Medlock Manchester CHO/37/262
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