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Hello - please help!

I'm stuck - I have been trying to reseach the following two and their ancestors for awhile and I feel I need a little help from the pros on here! Any help is greatly appreciated!

I am trying to research the following two people & their ancestors:

Peter Charles c.1830 in Warden, Northumberland and;
Elizabeth Ellen Stafford c.1829 in Islington, London.

Peter & Elizabeth were married 16/06/1855 at St Leonards, Shoreditch, Middlesex.

Thank you!

Marriage details - for our ref:

Name: Elizabeth Ellen Stafford - Milliner
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Age: 25
Spouse: Peter Charles - Warehouseman
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jun 1855
Parish: St Leonard, Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Stafford - Builder
Spouse Father: Richard Charles - Paper maker
Register Type: Parish Register
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Her address - 40 Nicholas St
His address - 72 Nicholas St

Witnesses:
James Thomas Stafford + Ellen Stafford.

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Name: Peter Charles
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Age: 25
Spouse: Elizabeth Ellen Stafford
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jun 1855
Parish: St Leonard, Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Richard Charles
Spouse Father: William Stafford
Register Type: Parish Register



1841

Name: Peter Charles
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Warden
Hundred: Tindale (North West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Chollerton
Piece: 843
Book: 11
Folio: 3
Page Number: 1

Richard Charles 50
Elizabeth Charles 50
Ann Charles 15
Robert Charles 15
Peter Charles 10

Do you have them on any census before or after their marriage please ?

To avoid us searching for info you already have, could you tell us what you have and what you hope to find.

Thanks,

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Elizabeth Ellen Stafford

in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906


Name: Elizabeth Ellen Stafford
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Apr 1830
Father's name: William Stafford - Builder
Mother's name: Sarah Stafford
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: Bevington St.
Born: 15th November, 1829.

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Northumberland and Durham Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) PETER
Last name CHARLES
Birth year 1830
Baptism day 15
Baptism month Aug
Baptism year 1830
Parish WARDEN
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's occupation Paper-Maker
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Residence Hardhaugh
County Northumberland
Country England
Checked N
Record set Northumberland and Durham Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hardhaugh, Warden, Hexham, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Charles Head Married Male 68 1783 Paper Maker Oxfordshire, England
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Elizabeth Charles Wife Married Female 64 1787 - Norfolk, England
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Henry Charles Nephew - Male 8 1843 Scholar Warden, Northumberland, England

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England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) Richard
Last name Charles
Name note -
Marriage year 1807
Marriage date 20 Sep 1807
Marriage place Ling, Norfolk, England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Cook
Spouse's father's first name(s) -
Spouse's father's last name -
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -
Residence Ling, Norfolk, England
Place Ling
County Norfolk
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Haughton, Hexham, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Charles Head Married Male 75 1786 Retired Paper Maker Oxfordshire, England
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Elizabeth Charles Wife Married Female 74 1787 - Norfolk, England
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Ann Charles Granddaughter - Female 11 1850 - Simonburn, Northumberland, England
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Margaret Dodd Servant Unmarried Female 30 1831 House Servant Northumberland, England

cert image says elizabeth is from ling norfolk

Possible children of Richard & Elizabeth Charles baptised in Warden Northumberland??

Name:
James Charles
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
27 Apr 1817
Christening Place:
Warden, Northumberland, England
Father's Name:
Richard Charles
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

Name:
Sarah Charles
England Births and Christenings
Name:
Sarah Charles
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
27 Dec 1819
Christening Place:
Warden, Northumberland, England
Father's Name:
Richard Charles
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth


Name:
Ann Charles
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
06 Oct 1822
Christening Place:
Warden, Northumberland, England
Father's Name:
Richard Charles
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

Name:
Robert Rumney Charles
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
05 Dec 1824
Christening Place:
Warden, Northumberland, England
Father's Name:
Richard Charles
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

Name:
Leonard Charles
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
24 Nov 1827
Christening Place:
Warden, Northumberland, England
Father's Name:
Richard Charles
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

Name:
Lydia Charles
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
08 Dec 1829
Christening Place:
Warden, Northumberland, England
Father's Name:
Richard Charles
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

Name:
Peter Charles
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
15 Aug 1830
Christening Place:
Warden, Northumberland, England
Father's Name:
Richard Charles
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

As these baptisms don't start until 1817 and the couple married in 1807 I wonder if this couple moved to Kent and had the following children there before moving to Northumberland


Name:
John Cocks Charles (POSSIBLE MIDDLE NAME COOK MISTRANSCRIBED???)
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
06 Jun 1809
Christening Place:
Kent, England
Father's Name:
Richard Charles
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth Charles

ame:
Eliza Charles
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
12 Apr 1812
Christening Place:
Buckland (near Dover), Kent, England
Father's Name:
Richard Charles
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

ame:
Elizabeth Charles
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
11 Sep 1814
Christening Place:
Buckland (near Dover), Kent, England
Father's Name:
Richard Charles
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

County Northumberland
Place Warden
Church St Michael & All Angels Bt
RegisterNumber 210
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 05 Dec 1824
Forename Robert Rumney
Sex M
FatherForename Richard
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname CHARLES
MotherSurname
Abode Paper Mill
FatherOccupation Paper Maker
Notes
FileNumber 27290

There is a family tree on familysearch.org (TREVOR BELLAMY FAMILY TREE) with Richard Charles born 1786 Banbury Oxfordshire that looks like the same Charles famliy that might be worth a look, hopefully this link will take you to the tree!

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3924-18F

Hello Robert and welcome to the Community boards.




(I'll let Robert know how to find his replies) :-)

Here is the link for the marriage cert of Richard Charles and Elizabeth Cook in 1807 (top left)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11567-91614-72?cc=1416598&wc=92BF-YHW:29798601,29373001,29798602

If you look carefully the Cook could be Cock where Elizabeth makes her mark.

The link to the tree I posted above also records that Richard married an Elizabeth Cox so Elizabeth could have been recorded as all three of these names at various times. It states on the 1861 census


Piece: RG9/3865 Place: Chollerton -Northumberland Enumeration District: 10
Civil Parish: Haughton Ecclesiastical Parish: Haughton
Folio: 24a Page: 24 Schedule: 129
Address: Haughton Papermill

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CHARLES Richard Head M M 75 Retired Paper Maker Oxfordshire - Nethrope
CHARLES Elizabeth Wife M F 74 Norfolk - Lingwood(Originally: Norfolk - Ling)
CHARLES Ann Grndau - F 11 Northumberland - Simonburn
DODD Margaret Servnt U F 30 House Serv Northumberland - St John Lee


that Elizabeth was born in Ling Norfolk c1787 and there is this bapt for an Elizabeth Ann Cock/Cook on 17th April 1787 with parents John & Sarah Cook/Cock (nee Raven) which looks promising. (approx 3/4 of the way down on the left hand page)


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11567-89083-50?cc=1416598&wc=92BF-YHZ:29798601,29359202,29527101



Marriage for John & Sarah: (John was recorded as Cock)

County Norfolk
Place Lyng
Church St Michael At
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 25 Nov 1784
GroomForename John
GroomSurname COCK
GroomAge
GroomParish Lyng
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Sarah
BrideSurname RAVEN
BrideAge
BrideParish Lyng
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename Henry
WitnessOneSurname COE
WitnessTwoForename John
WitnessTwoSurname MONEY
Notes By Banns
FileNumber 38066

Hello everyone!

Thank you for all so much for your advice and guidance - I think I will have a busy few days ahead of me! This is all fairly new to me and I am amazed by the support from the community - thank you.

The following 1861 census I found recently and it lead me to Elizabeth's maiden name (STAFFORD). Searching for the Stafford & Charles ancestors is where I have 'hit a wall' recently


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Street Crayford Road
County Kent
Parish Erith
City
Town
Ecclesiastical District
Parliamentary Borough
Enumeration District 9
Registration District Dartford
Country England
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
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Person 1
First Name Emily
Last Name Catling
Birth Year 1837
Age 24
Birth Town Hertford
Birth County Hertfordshire
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Servant
Gender Female
Occupation Servant
Condition Unmarried
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466
Person 2
First Name Elizabeth
Last Name Charles
Birth Year 1859
Age 2
Birth Town
Birth County Middlesex
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Daughter
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466
Person 3
First Name Elizabeth E
Last Name Charles
Birth Year 1830
Age 31
Birth Town Islington
Birth County Middlesex
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Wife
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition Married
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466
Person 4
First Name Florence
Last Name Charles
Birth Year 1858
Age 3
Birth Town
Birth County Middlesex
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Daughter
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466
Person 5
First Name Lydia
Last Name Charles
Birth Year 1856
Age 5
Birth Town
Birth County Middlesex
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Daughter
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466
Person 6
First Name Peter
Last Name Charles
Birth Year 1831
Age 30
Birth Town Warden
Birth County Northamptonshire
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Head
Gender Male
Occupation Mantle Fancy Goods...
Condition Married
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466
Person 7
First Name Peter J
Last Name Charles
Birth Year 1861
Age 0
Birth Town Erith
Birth County Kent
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Son
Gender Male
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466
Person 8
First Name Robert E
Last Name Charles
Birth Year 1857
Age 4
Birth Town
Birth County Middlesex
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Son
Gender Male
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466
Person 9
First Name Sarah A
Last Name Francis
Birth Year 1841
Age 20
Birth Town Rayleigh
Birth County Essex
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Servant
Gender Female
Occupation Nurse
Condition Unmarried
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466
Person 10
First Name Elizabeth
Last Name Freeman
Birth Year 1831
Age 30
Birth Town Devizes
Birth County Wiltshire
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Servant
Gender Female
Occupation Servant
Condition Unmarried
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466
Person 11
First Name Sarah
Last Name Stafford
Birth Year 1790
Age 71
Birth Town Millington
Birth County Surrey
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Wifes Mother
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition Widow
Archive Reference RG09
Folio 11
Page 15
Piece Number 466

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Avenhore House, Crayford Road, Erith, Dartford, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Peter Charles Head Married Male 30 1831 Mantle Fancy Goods... Warden, Northamptonshire, England
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Elizabeth E Charles Wife Married Female 31 1830 - Islington, Middlesex, England
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Lydia Charles Daughter - Female 5 1856 - Middlesex, England
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Robert E Charles Son - Male 4 1857 - Middlesex, England
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Florence Charles Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth Charles Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Middlesex, England
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Peter J Charles Son - Male 0 1861 - Erith, Kent, England
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Sarah Stafford Wifes Mother Widow Female 71 1790 - Millington, Surrey, England
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Sarah A Francis Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 Nurse Rayleigh, Essex, England
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Elizabeth Freeman Servant Unmarried Female 30 1831 Servant Devizes, Wiltshire, England
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Emily Catling Servant Unmarried Female 24 1837 Servant Hertford, Hertfordshire, England

Marriages Jun 1855 (>99%)
Charles Peter Shoreditch 1c 451
STAFFORD Elizabeth Ellen Shoreditch 1c 451
WALKER John Shoreditch 1c 451
WILLIAMSON Sarah Shoreditch 1c 451

Richard Charles
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name:
Richard Charles
County:
Northumberland
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1861
Sub-District:
4 Chollerton
Parish:
Haughton
Registration District:
Hexham
Age:
75
Gender:
Male
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Birthplace:
Nethrope, Oxfordshire
Schedule Type:
Household