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John Carter Bn circa 1814/11

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Helen

Helen Report 21 May 2015 10:27

Can you help please,,, I've been trying to find 2x Grd father John Carter bn circa 1814, he marr Maria Wolff widow nee Foxley 6/Oct/1839 Islington living Pultney Street have cert , I have certs and records for all children.
The only entre on 1841 census that match's for age's is a John Carter bricklayer bn Ireland, with Elizabeth wife Elizabeth dau. address is about right, 1851 Living Leith 51 Salamander Street bn England as Ultramarine blue maker with Maria Carter wife, child'n Elizabeth and Charles,
1861 back in London claiming bn America with Maria, Charles and a Mary Ann bn circa 1852 Scotland.
1871 London bn England with Maria and Mary Ann,
Father was a John Carter on marr Cert as died, Maria had marr a William Wolff and had a William and a Elizabeth Rhoda Wolff which match's the Elizabeth for age's.
Charles marr Mary Ann Lane nee Banksbland 6/May/1867 on cert father John occ Bricklayer crossed out, Colour Maker added.
I don't know when John died I have Birth Bapt, death records for children, think Maria died circa 1906?
So far all mine and others search's have drawn the same info, Does anyone have any other idea's please.. Regards Robert. ps would like to find the truth about John

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 May 2015 10:59

if the last census you have is 1871 have you looked for a death after that date

malyon

malyon Report 21 May 2015 11:28


John Carter
mentioned in the record of John Carter and Maria Wolff
Name:
John Carter
Spouse's Name:
Maria Wolff
Event Date:
06 Oct 1839
Event Place:
Old Church,Saint Pancras,London,England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 May 2015 11:31

I'm not seeing him in 1871, from the info you've given, but here's 1861, for the benefit of helpers - I know you have it, Robert.

John Carter

in the 1861 England Census
Name: John Carter
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: United States
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 281
Piece: 146
Folio: 66
Page Number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carter 47
Maria Carter 45 - b. St Luke's, London
Chas Carter 13 - Islington
Mary Ann Carter 9 - Scotland

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 May 2015 11:50

There are loads of deaths for John Carters in various parts of London - it's a very common name, which doesn't help
.
Assuming Islington, have you ruled out this one?:

Deaths Jun 1880 (>99%)
CARTER John 65 Islington 1b 215

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 21 May 2015 11:53

Curiously on the marriage record on Ancestry it states that Maria Wolff is a widow but gives her father's name as Joseph Wolff.

Also she signs her name on the 1839 marriage but on the 1832 marriage of Maria Foxley to William Wolfe she just makes her mark.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 May 2015 12:23

Is this the 1871 census record you think is them?
If so, John's birth is way out, and it says they were all born in Islington.
John's a bricklayer, and Maria and Mary Ann are both laundresses:

John Carter

in the 1871 England Census
Name: John Carter
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 175
Piece: 251
Folio: 54
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carter 50
Maria Carter 59
Mary A Carter 20



ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 May 2015 12:25

You say you think Maria died c.1906.

Have you found her on any censuses after 1871?

Have you found a death record which you think might be hers?

malyon

malyon Report 21 May 2015 12:33

this could be her

Maria Carter
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name:
Maria Carter
Age (Original):
69
Gender:
Female
Birth Year:
1812
Birthplace:
Clapham, Surrey, England
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Marital Status:
Single
Occupation:
Annuitant
Address:
20 Trafalgar Rd
Event Place:
Twickenham, Middlesex, England
Record Type:
Household
Affiliate Publication Number:
RG11
Piece/Folio:
1343 / 58
Page Number:
40
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Maria Carter Head F 69 Clapham, Surrey, England
Mary Dewley Servant F 70 Egham Wick, Surrey, England

Gee

Gee Report 21 May 2015 13:19

Yvonne

That doesn't seem to the same Maria. The one you've posted appears on earlier censuses.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 May 2015 13:30

Several PM's from Robert:

12:51 PM
Thank you for help,
I have noted details, without buying all the John death certs not sure how to check.


12:54 PM (Re 1871 census)
Yes that's the one, his age varies on a lot of census and other records but other details match.


1:03 PM
Sorry 1906 was an error looked at wrong sheet that date was for Mary Ann Lane Banksbland the wife of Charles the son of John and Maria,


1:11 PM
As some of the ages vary between records, I think that's him as other details all seem to match.

1:21 PM
There is a Maria Carter in 1881 in Clapham but give a birth place of Clapham.


PLEASE, Robert, reply on your thread, and not to me personally, so that all the helpers can see your response, and benefit from further details/clues.

Add your reply in the white box at the bottom of this thread, where it says "Post" just below "Add your reply", and click "Submit".

malyon

malyon Report 21 May 2015 13:35

hi
that maria carter in 1881 census is the same age as one in 1871 and if john had died she is own her own living in different place

Helen

Helen Report 21 May 2015 13:56

Thank you all for your help,
You have confirmed the information I have found.
The death of 1906 was for the wife of Charles Carter Bn 1847 Pultney Street Islington the son of John and Maria Carter, sorry all, I looked at the wrong sheet. Old age..
Many Thanks