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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=480943.0

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-SOMERSET/2005-08/1123442323

(above old queries from google, the Jane born 1859)

Chris :)

So, Anne, if you're acknowledging now that Eliza did marry Robert Wickham then she can't be the one on the first 1871 census that was posted which you acknowledged was her. She already had children then and she seems to be the one who was widowed and living with her mother-in-law in 1871. She had children Jane, 12, Emily, 8 and William, 2.

In 1881 after her marriage to Robert Wickham in 1879 she has children Sarah J., 21 who I think is Jane and William J., 12, both Sims and a new baby Lewis Wickham, 1 month.

Apparently Eliza did marry Robert Wickham, when I don't know. Whether or not they had children again I don't know.

I did acknowledge the first set of information as being probably correct.

That 71 census is the first one that Brummiejan posted. But if that's your family we can forget about the one that married Robert Wickham.

I have found a record on 1871 Census for Eliza and Henry Sims living at Mount Pleasant, Walcot, St Swithins, Bath with the Hathway family. Does this help?

County Somerset
Place Bath
Church Twerton - St Peter Pr
RegisterNumber 93
MarriageDate 08 Dec 1895
GroomForename William John
GroomSurname SIMS
GroomAge 26
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Packer GWR
GroomAbode Twerton
BrideForename Annie Maria
BrideSurname BUTCHER
BrideAge 24
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideAbode Twerton
GroomFatherForename William John
GroomFatherSurname SIMS
GroomFatherOccupation Porter
BrideFatherForename Job
BrideFatherSurname BUTCHER
BrideFatherOccupation Carter
WitnessOneForename Job
WitnessOneSurname BUTCHER
WitnessTwoForename Eliza
WitnessTwoSurname BUTCHER
Notes Banns


(from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

County Somerset
Place Bath
Church Twerton - St Peter Pr
RegisterNumber 357
MarriageDate 23 Nov 1901
GroomForename Lewis Benjamin
GroomSurname WICKHAM
GroomAge 20
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode Twerton
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname PRICE
BrideAge 22
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideAbode Twerton
GroomFatherForename Robert
GroomFatherSurname WICKHAM
GroomFatherOccupation Bootmaker
BrideFatherForename John
BrideFatherSurname PRICE
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename Elizabeth
WitnessOneSurname FORTEY
WitnessTwoForename Henry
WitnessTwoSurname CARTER
Notes Banns


Bath Birth indexes for the years: 1869
SIMS William John Lansdown Bath (Mother Maiden Name) WALTERS LNS/21/365


Bath Birth indexes for the years: 1881
WICKHAM Louis Benjamin Lansdown Bath (Mother Maiden Name) SIMS
LNS/28/377

(also below)

Bath Birth indexes for the years: 1879
WICKHAM Mabel Frances Lansdown Bath SIMS LNS/27/326

Bath Birth indexes for the years: 1882
WICKHAM Albert Edward Lansdown Bath SIMS LNS/29/319


Bath Marriage indexes for the years: 1879
SIMS Elizabeth WICKHAM Robert Bath, St Paul Bath C8/1/143


http://www.bathbmd.org.uk/index.php

(from above link)


(below for Wilts.)

http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

But, surely, Gritty, those Wickham boys on the 91 census should be her sons not stepsons? She married Robert Wickham in 1879.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Milk Street, Bath, Somerset, England

Elizabeth Wickham Head Widow Female 49 1842 Laundress And Nurse Bath, Somerset,
William Sims Son Single Male 22 1869 General Labourer Bath, Somerset,
Lewis Benjamin Wickham Stepson Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Bath, Somerset,
Albert Edward Wickham Stepson - Male 8 1883 Scholar Bath, Somerset,

Marriage:

Name: William John Sims
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Bath
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 1101

Possible Spouse: Annie Maria Butcher

So if this is William John & Annie Maria could it be that the boarder Lewis Wickhham is actually William John's half brother going according to the marriage of Robert Wickham & Elizabeth Sims and the 91 census where John W. Sims is 12 and Lewis Wickham 0?

William J Sims

in the 1901 England Census
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Name: William J Sims
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Annie M Sims
Birth Place: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Twerton
Ecclesiastical parish: Twerton
Town: Twerton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Twerton
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2334
Folio: 179
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 94
Household Members:
Name Age
William J Sims 32
Annie M Sims 30
William E Sims 3
Arthur C Sims 2/12
Lewis B Wickham 20

William Arthur Sims grandparents were William John Sims and Annie Maria Butcher both born, I believe in the 1880s.

Anne, could you tell us the name of your cousin's grandfather?

What is the name and date of the birth cert giving those names for the parents ?

This seems to be the one who married Robert Wickham:

Elizabeth Sims

in the 1871 England Census
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Name: Elizabeth Sims
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter-in-law (Daughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Walcot
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lansdown
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 131
Piece: 2491
Folio: 52
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Sims 60
Elizabeth Sims 30
Jane Sims 12
Emily Sims 8
William Sims 2

Did Elizabeth remarry Robert Wickham?

Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%)
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Sims Elizabeth Bath 5c 959
WICKHAM Robert Bath 5c 959

Elizabeth Wickham

in the 1881 England Census
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Name: Elizabeth Wickham
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Robert Wickham
Gender: Female
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Walcot
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address: 1 Milk Street
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Charwoman
Registration district: Bath
Sub registration district: Lansdown
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2440
Folio: 49
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Wickham 52
Elizabeth Wickham 39
Sarah J. Sims 21
William J. Sims 12
Lewis B. Wickam 0
Source Citation

Class: RG11; Piece: 2440; Folio: 49; Page: 17; GSU roll: 1341587

My second cousin, William Arthur Sims, told me Elizabeth Walters was married to his great grandfather, Henry John Sims. The information was obtained from William's grandfather's birth certificate.

birth year for this Eliza fits census above
First name(s) ELIZA
Last name YOUNGS
Birth year 1845
Birth quarter 2
District BATH
County Somerset
Country England
Volume 11
Page 45

Anne, could you please tell us how you came by the names?
Jan

I checked out that census earlier and wondered if that Henry, was actually William Henry Sims........

??

William Henry Sims in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name:William Henry Sims
Registration Year:1839
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Warminster
Inferred County:Wiltshire
Volume:8
Page:405



Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
Sims William Henry Bath 5c 1092
YOUNGS Eliza Bath 5c 1092

Yes, that is the couple. Eliza was born in Bath.