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I am starting a new thread rather than adding to a previous "Irvine" thread because it was marked as answered. I must stress that I am only interested in William Irvine (not any of his ancestors). This is what I know.
William was born in St Andrew's and St Leonard's Fife on 17 June 1830 and baptised 20 June, the second son of Robert Irvine 1792 - 1862 and Elizabeth nee Neish 1798 - 1875
In 1841 census he is with his parents and siblings aged 10 in Marytown Fife.
In May 1847, when William was 16 years old, my great grandfather, James, was born. He was baptised on 28 December that year, the son of William and Jess McGregor. On the 1851 census, James is with Robert and Elizabeth and is shown as grandson. He would later, on his marriage, state they were his parents.
Back to William and Jessie. I have Jessie in 1851 with her father, Charles, and what I believe is another illegitimate child Jessie McIntosh. I have what I think is her death in 1866 in Edinburgh though this is a huge leap of faith (the death certificate shows no parents). I have included this solely to show William was not with Jessie.
And so, William in 1851 is at 23, Galletly Street, a ship's carpenter. I believe that the whole area was lodgings and premises for shipbuilders and seafarers. And after that...not a trace.
I have exhausted myself searching census and for deaths. Have even tried deaths at sea. And thought of emigration but it's quite early for records. There is a William, master mariner...
Name: William Irvine
Estimated Age: 23
Birth Date: 1831
Birth Place: Port Galsgow, Renfrewshire
Issue Date: 9 Nov 1854
Issue Port: Dublin
Certificate Number: 11275
But place of birth is not correct
I think this is him in Cardiff in 1871
Name: William Irvine
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Scotland
Civil Parish: St Mary
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 20a
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 5364
Folio: 15
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Wm Armstrong 44
Ann Laybourn Armstrong 40
Annie Foster Armstrong 15
Sarah Ann Anderson 28
Sarah Jones 30
Eliza Morgan 28
Mary Jane Brower 19
Mary Llewellyn 19
Richard Thomas 23
John Ottonay 43
William Irvine 41
Thomas Erskine 39
James Miller 55
Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Jude
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For our reference:
William Irvine
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: William Irvine
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: St Andrews, fifeshire
Parish Number: 282
Civil Parish: Dundee
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County: Angus
Address: 23 galletly Street
Occupation: Ship Carpenter
ED: 13
Page: 8
Household schedule number: 28
LINE: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_60
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Mulley 44
Mary Ruth 30
Maria Mullay 5
Michael Malley 3
John Mullay 1
Joseph Anderson 45
James Henderson 18
William Dobson 18
William Irvine 20
It's possible that he was at sea when later censuses were taken, and even that he may have died at sea, in which case there may be no online record of him.
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Here's another William Irvine, birth a couple of years out, born in Scotland, exact place unspecified.
He's a mariner in 1861, and a rigger in 1871. All children born Liverpool
William Meine (Irvine in image)
in the 1861 England Census
Name: William Meine
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Meine
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Occupation: Mariner
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 295
Piece: 2652
Folio: 207
Page Number: 55
Household Members:
Name Age
William Meine 34
Charlotte Meine 30 - Shrewsbury
Elizabeth Meine 8
Sarah Meine 6
Grace Meine 4
Georgiana Meine 2
George Meine 8/12
William Irvine
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Irvine
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte E Irvine
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Ambrose
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 257
Piece: 3811
Folio: 138
Page Number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
William Irvine 43
Charlotte E Irvine 40 - Shrewsbury
Elizabeth M Irvine 18
Sarah Jane Irvine 16
Grace M Irvine 14
Charlotte Irvine 10
George Irvine 10
John M Irvine 8
Maud M Irvine 11 Months
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Re the master mariner born Glasgow (Lanarkshire) or Port Glasgow (Renfrewshire) -
SP shows one William Irvine (or variant) born in Glasgow 1829.
None in Port Glasgow or anywhere else in Renfrewshire.
That's searching Scotland in general 1829-32.
33 William Irvines (or variant) in total during that time.
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This is the one from 1861 & 1871 censuses, who was married to Charlotte.
Still doesn't give a specific birthplace in Scotland.
However, as his YOB is consistently 2 or 3 years before 1830, its probably not your William after all:
Wiliam Jevine (Irvine in image)
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Wiliam Jevine
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2957
Folio: 65
Page Number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
Wiliam Jevine 64 - ship rigger - widower
Grace Stephens 34 - daughter
William Stephens 7 grandson
Maud B Stephens 9 grand-daughter
Florence G Stephens 5 gr-daughter
William Irvine 16 - son
Maud M Irvine 20 - son
Charlotte's death:
Deaths Jun 1876 (>99%)
Irving Charlotte 45 W.Derby 8b 284
Possibilities for William's death (he's not with his daughter Grace and family in 1901):
Deaths Dec 1893 (>99%) - although that would make his YOB c1832
Irvine William 61 W. Derby 8b 329
Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%)
Irvin William 70 Toxteth Park 8b 175
Your William's surname is spelled Irvin in his birth record.
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This is the burial of the 1897 one !!
Toxteth Park Burials
Search Results for grave N/224
Surname Forename Age Rank Address Buried Folio Entry C/N Section Grave Class
IRVIN Hannah 14 years Scholar 20 Montague Street, West Derby, Municipal 3 March 1882 2730 54597 C N 224 352 CEM 9/1/11
IRVIN Henry 3? years Infant 25 Seiont Terrace 1 November 1873 2275 40465 C N 224 352 CEM 9/1/9
IRVIN Margaret 75 years Widow 171 Northumberland Street 1 September 1908 5010 99851 C N 224 352 CEM 9/1/20
IRVIN William 70 years - 14 Enid Street 10 March 1897 4005 79815 C N 224 352 CEM 9/1/16
MCLELLAND Alexander 62 years Customs Officer 43 Egerton Street Toxteth Park 14 February 1889 1129 22554 N N 224 352 CEM 9/2/4
STODDART Annie Jessie 77 years Spinster 1 Berkley Street Toxteth Park 23 December 1901 1513 30236 N N 224 353 CEM 9/2/6
Doesn't seem to be 'your's'
Dea x
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Cheers everybody! I am minded, as I was yesterday before deciding to post this, that he went to sea and never came back....he is/was my great great grandfather only biologically :-) ....familiarly and in reality his parents were my gg grandparents!
Anyway, in looking for him today, I found something I had been searching for for two years...that's the beauty of this hobby...you often find what you have been looking for when you are least looking for it!
Jude
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