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Have pmed an article from the Worchester Chronicle relating to the case that Chris found above, in case Gaynor does not have it.

Same paper reports a Daniel Cope assaulted a Hannah Holden in 1847 , who had 'affiliated a child' on him a few weeks before, no occupation given for Daniel.

Also the Worcester Journal had an article referring to the 1843 case, involving a puddler named Daniel Cope.

Births Sep 1853 (>99%)
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COPE Herbert Samuel Stourbridge 6c 151

(looking at 1861 image, more like Herbert than Robert)

Chris :)

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Herbert Samuel
Last name Cope
Birth year 1853
Baptism year 1857
Baptism date 03 May 1857
Place Old Swinford
County Worcestershire
Father's first name(s) Daniel
Father's last name Cope
Mother's first name(s) Hannah


(from google search, below)

PDF]Download now - Worcestershire County Council

www.worcestershire.gov.uk/.../id/.../calendar_of_prisoners_1839-1849.pdf
Assault with intent to rape. None given. 2. 87a. Cope. Daniel. 1849-February. 28. Puddler. Assault with intent to... None given. Oldswinford.


London, Docklands and East End Baptisms, 1558-1933 (Find My Past)

First name(s) HANNAH
Last name WILLIAMS
Birth year 1829
Baptism year 1829
Baptism date 09 Aug 1829
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Father's occupation Cooper
Address MEOT
Parish St Dunstan, Stepney
Church address Stepney High Street
County London
Archive reference X024/018

(if relating, possibly on Ancestry London Baptisms also)

edits (apologies, as Kucinta has above)

did you mean in 1841 that fanny cope was 70 years so born 1770 could be she was frances fanny for short

Kath - you were the one who found the full version - I had only found the freebmd version at that point, so didn't post as you'de beat me to it with a better version :-)

Just wish that it had occupations for the fathers, even if they were both deceased!

Well done Kucinta - I always forget to look at the image if there is one. It will save Gaynor having to buy the certificate.

Kath. x

Have just checked the marriage record on FMP. but unfortunately it just says Richard Cope and Joseph Williams were deceased, so no hints as to what their occupations were.

Witnesses were James Brown and Hannah Maria Brooks.

Daniel's occupation is given as puddler - which tallies with the census

Will pm the image

Found the GRO reference now (don't know why it didn't come up last time I tried):-

First name(s) DANIEL
Last name COPE
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1847
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ DANIEL COPE married one of these people
HANNAH WILLIAMS, ESTHER WEBB, ANN BRIDGWATER
District WOLVERHAMPTON
District number -
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 17
Page 390

Kath. x

Thanks Guys :)

Hannah Cope
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name:
Hannah Cope
County:
Worcestershire
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1861
Sub-District:
2 Stourbridge
Parish:
Upper Swinford
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Marys Oldswinford
Registration District:
Stourbridge
Age:
999
Gender:
Female
Relationship to Head of Household:
Wife
Birthplace:
St George Hanover Square, London
Schedule Type:
Household

Found the marriage on Findmypast. It doesn't seem to be in the GRO indexes though.

Kath. x

Hi Kath - where did you find the marriage details - used BMD and could not find it = thanks

The Stepney Hannah in 1841:


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Batson Street, St Anne Limehouse, Stepney, Middlesex, England


Joseph Williams Male 25 1816 Middlesex, England Cooper
Maria Williams Female 20 1821 Middlesex, England
Jane Williams Female 15 1826 Middlesex, England
Eliza Williams Female 15 1826 Middlesex, England
William Williams Male 15 1826 Middlesex, England
Watts Williams Male 14 1827 Middlesex, England
Hannah Williams Female 12 1829 Middlesex, England<<<<<<<
Joseph Williams Male 60 1781 Middlesex, England Cooper

Not sure about location

Father is a cooper. No birthdate given.

Name: Hannah Williams<<<<<<<<<<<
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Aug 1829
Father's name: Joseph Williams<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's name: Sarah Williams
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

THis Hannah is right location, but wrong father's name :-(

Name: Hannah Williams<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 21 Dec 1828
Father's name: William Williams<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's name: Ann Williams
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George Hanover Square<<<<<<<<<
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Father is a sawyer. Address is Lancashire Court.

If the birth that safc posted above is correct then the marriage to Hannah Williams seems likely as the father's name is given as Richard Cope.

Kath. x

Hi there
The census records looks right just looks like they got Daniel's name mis - transcribed. - also the Marriage records looks right as Stewponey is by Stourbidge. lets see if there is a Hannah Williams on the census

Name: Daniel Cope
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 04 Mar 1819
Christening Place: Worcester, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Richard Cope
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Hannah Cope
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00892-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 350494
Reference ID: p 293, #2342



Citing this Record:
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JS6D-N8K : accessed 9 May 2015), Daniel Cope, 04 Mar 1819; citing England, reference p 293, #2342; FHL microfilm 350,494.

Do you know Daniel's father's name? There is this marriage as a possibility:-

First name(s) Daniel
Last name Cope
Age Full Age
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 25 Dec 1847
Marriage place Kinver, St Peter
Denomination Anglican
Residence Stewponey
Father's first name(s) Richard<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's last name Cope
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Williams
Spouse's age Full Age
Spouse's Residence Stewponey
Spouse's father's first name(s) Joseph
Spouse's father's last name Williams
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive Reference D1197/1/11
Page 195

Kath. x

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Upper Swinford, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David Cope Head Married Male 41 1820 Puddler Of Iron Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England
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Hannah Cope Wife Married Female - - - London, England
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Robert Sam Cope Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England
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Mary Cope Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England
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John Cope Son - Male 3 1858 - Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England

Hi There,
I have a Daniel Cope in my tree born 1820 - Stourbridge, Worcestershire, His wife was Hannah born 1in 1828 St Geo's Hanover Sq, London, England ( so may have been in service?) according to census records. The lived in Stourbridge for thee rest of their lives as far as I can tell and Daniel died in 1863 in Stourbridge. I am trying to find Daniel and Hannah s wedding cert so I can ascertain her maiden name. I also can ot find a death record.

Also, In 1821 Daniel was 20 living with a Fanny Cope age 70 ( also in Stourbridge) and I would like to find her death record.

Any help trying to find a little more about Hannah and Fanny would be welcome :- Thank you! :-)