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Thanks Catherine

I looked for baptism records but couldn't find them either.

All the best

jane

Oh, missed that greyghost. Yes it would be normal to name a child after the grandmother so that could very well be correct.

I've looked for baptisms but can't find anything, shame it could have saved the price of some certs.

Thank you both so much for all your hard work you have put in to help me. I will do as you suggest and buy some certs. This is going to be expensive.!!!!

This could be my first skeleton. albeit a small one.

Thanks again

Jane

From Catherine's 1871/1881 census postings, Eliza Ann's mother would appear to be a Charlotte, so calling the first child Charlotte Emma may not be so unlikely, but again as per Catherine - birth certificates needed and Hanky panky were the words I was thinking of !!

Jane,
It's not really confusing when you note it all down.

John William Welch married Eliza Ann Welch in 1889

In 1893 a daughter Charlotte Emma is born
(but due the name and later events I would be wondering if Eliza was really the mother)

In 1898 Eliza Ann dies and

in 1899 John William marries Charlotte Dixon.

Elizabeth Dixon was born in 1897 and she looks to be the daughter of the second wife Charlotte but there is no proof that John William Welch was her father.
If he is her father then there was obviously some kind of hanky panky going on there.

To be 100% sure of who the parents of the two girls really were you would need to buy the birth certificates unless you can find a baptism.

No I haven't got that information.

I will add it to my notes and confirm some of these things with some certs in the not to distant future.

All the best

Jane

Don't know if you have this, but if the couple stayed in the same area then these are possible children born after 1911 cenus:-

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
Welch Vera Dixon Glanford B. 7a 1223

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Welch Enid M Dixon Glanford B. 7a 964

Gosh this is going to get confusing. I will have to take a careful look at all this info.

Thank you so much for all your help

Jane

this looks as though it may be his first wife:-

Name: Eliza A Welch
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 619


Name: Eliza A Welch
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: Thomas Welch
Mother's name: Charlotte Welch
Gender: Female
Where born: Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Winterton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district: Winterton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 92
Piece: 3431
Folio: 11
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Welch 30 - Shepherd
Charlotte Welch 28
Eliza A Welch 3
Sarah R Welch 2


1881
Name: Eliza Ann Welsh
[Eliza Anne Welch]
[Eliza Ann Welch]
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relationship to Head: Daughter (Child)
Father: Thomas Welsh
Mother: Charlotte Welsh
Gender: Female
Where born: Winterton, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: Winterton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: Holmes Road
Occupation: No Occupation
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub registration district: Winterton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3286
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Welsh 38 - Shepherd
Charlotte Welsh 37
Eliza Ann Welsh 14
Sarah H. Welsh 12
Thomas C. Welsh 9
John Ed. Welsh 2

........but you would need marriage cert. to confirm.

greyghost,
Two heads are better than one, and always good to have someone backing up information found.
That's what you call good team work. :-)

Strange that Charlotte's birth is registered under the name of Welch

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Welch Charlotte Emma Glanford B. 7a 697

...........when her sister who was born after her, was registered under Dixon?

EDIT:- Silly me, she was probably the daughter of his first wife Eliza Ann Welch so the two girls would have been half sisters.

But then Elizabeth was born in 1897 and Eliza didn't die untill 1898 so what was going on there?

SNAP Catherine - Got there before you on that one - here's the 1881 with George and Rebecca the Grandparents from 1911 - with amongst others daughter Charlotte E b 1868 Somerby as per 1901/1911

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6, Village, Somerby, Caistor, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Dixon Head Married Male 31 1850 Ag Lab Bigby, Lincolnshire, England
Rebecca Dixon Wife Married Female 34 1847 Ag Lab Wife Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Sarah M Dixon Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Burringham, Lincolnshire, England
Charles Dixon Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Worlaby, Lincolnshire, England
Charlotte E Dixon Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Somerby, Lincolnshire, England
Henry John Dixon Son Single Male 1 1880 Ag Lab Son Somerby, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Dixon Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Somerby, Lincolnshire, England

For ref:- Charlotte with her family in 1891

Name: Charlotte Dixon
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: George Dixon
Mother's name: Rebecca Dixon
Gender: Female
Where born: Somerby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Somerby
Ecclesiastical parish: Somerby
Town: Somerby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Caistor
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2622
Folio: 88
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dixon 41
Rebecca Dixon 44
Charles Dixon 15
Charlotte Dixon 13
Henry J Dixon 11
Mary Dixon 10
George Dixon 8
Alice Dixon 3


......so fits with 1911

Could this be Elizabeth under her mother's maiden name?

Name: Elizabeth Dixon
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Doncaster
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 8 Beechfield Road Doncaster
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Doncaster
Registration District Number: 512
Sub-registration district: Doncaster
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 28197
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dixon 61 Birth Place: Bigby, Lincolnshire, England
Rebbecca Dixon 63 Birth Place: Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Alice Dixon 23 (daughter) Birth Place: Somerby, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Dixon 14

If the couple didn't marry untill 1899, then she must have been born before they married so could be?

No wonder couldn't find Charlotte - FMP has her transcribed as Charlotte WEKS which might not be surprising when you look at the original !!

Thank you very much for that information greyghost and Catherine. I did not realise he married twice. I have added it to my notes.

All the best

Jane

Here's Elizabeth with Maternal Grandparents in 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8 Beechfield Road Doncaster, Doncaster, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Dixon Head Married Male 61 1850 Bigby Lincolnshire Carter
Rebecca Dixon Wife Married Female 63 1848 Winteston Lincolnshire -
Alice Dixon Daughter Single Female 23 1888 Somerby Lincolnshire -
Elizabeth Dixon Granddaughter - Female 14 1897 Winterton Lincolnshire -

THis could be daughter Charlotte in 1911

Name: Charlotte Welch
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Servant (Employee)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Wood Green
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 28 Rosebery Road, Muswell Hill N
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Servant Domestic
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Wood Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 199
Piece: 7275
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Hugill 45
Charlotte Welch 18

?????? not Eliza's daughter

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
Dixon Elizabeth Glanford B. 7a 731

To follow through on 1901 census details -

Not picking up John William and Eliza's children on the 1911 census (nor marriage/death prior to then)

Charlotte Emma b 1893
and Elizabeth b 1897 (not found birth either for her)