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Hello could someone take a look on Ancestry's Manchester Records to see do they cover Rochdale..looking for a marriage George White -Sarah Moss c 1817-1821
and any baptisms in the area for their children.

Thanks Colette

just in case


George White
England Births and Christenings
Name: George White
Gender: Male
Wife: Sarah Moss
Son: George White
Other information in the record of George White
from England Births and Christenings
Name: George White
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 10 Feb 1835
Christening Place: HEYWOOD WESLEYAN,BURY,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1834
Father's Name: George White
Mother's Name: Sarah Moss
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J13319-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0560878 (RG4 1027)

Baptism: 1 Feb 1835 Wesleyan Chapel, Heywood, Lancashire, England
George White - Son of George White & Sarah (formerly Moss)
Born: 26 Oct 183_
Abode: Heywood, Heap, Bury
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: C. Cheetham
Register: Baptisms 1808 - 1837, Page 25
Source: LDS Film 560878

have you tried.............

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Or familysearch

Cheers Maddie I have this one, in 1841 the children are parentless they go by the surname Moss living with their eldest brothers Charles's in laws the Diggle's children of George White & Sarah Moss were Charles b1821 Sarah 1826 Mary 1827-8 George 1834 Heywood..marriages of girls from Lancs BMD St Leonards Middleton 1856 & 1857 these records aren't online I did find burials for a George & Sarah White in Heywood 1834 & 1835 but at St Luke's C of E can't claim them yet..just don't understand why they use the MOSS surname and then later Charles calls himself Whitemoss

Regards Colette

If George is the only one you can find under the name of White, then maybe the others were Sarah's from before she married George White?
She may have been married before, or they may have been her illegitimate children?

Hi Catherine was thinking that could be but also the parish records of Leonards Middleton might hold clues,son Charles says born Littleborough and two girls say born Rochdale might have another look around for Moss with different fathers name..

Colette

Found this on familysearch.org:-

England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)

Name: Sarah White
Event Type: Baptism
Christening Date: 30 May 1825
Father's Name: George White
Mother's Name: Sarah White
Affiliate Publication Number: RG5_186

There's a link to:- http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/

............................but it's pay to view.


There's also one for Mary White but much earlier than the date you give:-

England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)
Name: Mary White
Event Type: Baptism
Christening Date: 11 Jan 1824
Father's Name: George White
Mother's Name: Sarah White
Affiliate Publication Number: RG5_186

..............possible that she died and they had another daughter and gave her the same name.

That's interesting...thank you wonder if anyone has access to the Genealogist.

Thanks Colette

These are the records for Sarah from The Genealogist that Catherine refers to - parents George and Sarah White. Sarah's parents are given as Henry and Elizabeth Upton and it all happens in Notts.

Type Baptism
TNA Reference RG5 / Piece 186 / Folio 97
Wesleyan Methodist Registers. The Wesleyan Methodist registry opened in Paternoster Row, London in 1818. Contains about 10,000 births before closing in 1838.
Full Name Sarah White
Date of Baptism 30th May 1825
Gender Female
Date of Birth 24th May 1825
Registration Date 25th August 1825
Father Name George White
Father Town, Parish, County Bingham Nottinghamshire
Mother Name Sarah White
Maternal Parents Name(s) Henry & Elizabeth Upston


Bmd » Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial BMDs » Full
Type Baptism
TNA Reference RG4 / Piece 4677 / Folio 222
An Index to the Wesleyan Metropolitan Registry of Births and Baptisms at Paternoster Row, London registered between 1818 to 1828 (Births date from 1773)
Full Name Sarah White
Date of Baptism 30th May 1825
Gender Female
Place of Baptism Bingham
Date of Birth 24th May 1825
Place of Abode Bingham
Parish of Abode Bingham
County of Abode Nottinghamshire
Registration Date 25th August 1825
Registration Town/County Paternoster Row, London
Ceremony Performed By John Hobson
Father Name George White
Mother Name Sarah White
Maternal Parents Name(s) Henry & Elizabeth Upton

Oh well, doesn't look to be relevant then.
Never mind back to the drawing board.

I was wondering if you had the marriage cert. of any of the children?

Marriages Sep 1838 (>99%)
CHADWICK Ann Ashton &c 20 37
xxxxx DIGGLE Jane Ashton &c. 20 37 xxxxx
HOWARTH Abraham Ashton &c 20 37
MILLS Elizabeth Ashton &c 20 37
xxxxx Moss Charles Ashton &c 20 37 xxxxx
NICHOLL Thomas Ashton &c. 20 37
SCOTT Ann Ashton &c. 20 37
SMETHURST John Ashton &c. 20 37

................this should give you father's name, if known.


Just for ref:-

1841
Name: Charles Moss
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bury
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Heywood
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 539
Book: 3
Folio: 30
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
John Diggle 65
Martha Diggle 55
Charles Moss 20
Jane Moss 20
Martha Moss 1
Mary Moss 15
Sarah Moss 15
George Moss 10
James Sman 50
Wm Lench 25

This looks to be another baptism for George with yet another date:-

England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)
Name: George Moss
Event Type: Baptism
Christening Date: 10 Jul 1835
Christening Place: Bury, Lancashire
Father's Name: George White Moss
Mother's Name: Sarah Moss
Affiliate Publication Number: RG4_1027

That's the one that threw us The George White Moss as eldest son Charles starts calling himself Whitemoss later on in life odd isn't it.

Colette

Type Baptism

TNA Reference RG4 / Piece 1027 / Folio 33

Register of Births and Baptisms kept for the Wesleyan Chapel at Heywood in the parish of Bury, Lancashire from 1808 to 1837

Full Name George Moss
Date of Baptism 10th July 1835
Gender Male
Date of Birth 26th June 1835
Place of Abode Heywood
Parish of Abode Heap, Bury
County of Abode Lancaster
Registration Town/County Bury, Lancashire
Ceremony Performed By C Cheetham
Father Name George White Moss
Father Profession Collier
Mother Name Sarah Moss
Mother Maiden Sareboss

Looking at the `actual image the Parents names are George White and Sarah Moss, mmn Sarah Moss. All other entries on page have Parents as e.g. John and Betty Heaton mmn Gregson/ Charles and Mary Clegg mmn Birch

The DOB to me reads October 26th 183- (big mark on page covers last digit)

We have two baptism dates for George Moss haaaaaaaaaa up the wall with these Moss's YES I have been using Lancs OPC for years now its a great web site..
Think St Leonards Middleton might help but their records don't go up to far..could do with marriages of the two daughters...that's the church they used.

Col

Charles Moss in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
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Name: Charles Moss
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 10 Sep 1838
Parish: Middleton, St Leonard
Parish as it Appears: Middleton
Father's name: George Moss
Spouse's Name: Jane Deggle
Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Deggle
Reference Number: GB127.L56/1/4/10

both George and his father are coalminers

sarah
father a collier
witnesses Charle Moss and Sara Montague
resident in Birtle

Sarah Moss in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

Name: Sarah Moss
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 16 Jun 1850
Parish: Middleton, St Leonard
Parish as it Appears: Middleton
Father's name: George Moss
Spouse's Name: Thomas Whitworth
Reference Number: GB127.L56/1/4/14

Thank you..looking at George Moss Jr on various census forms he was born c 1829-30,and also full age on his first marriage to Elizabeth Tattershall in 1850 so unless he wasn't a baby when he was baptised on that 1835 Baptism in Heywood It can't be him..god feel like I am going round in circles.

What ever parish church they used cannot be online.

Colette