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Yes he is GlitterBaby - that's the point!

He always records his occupation as painter & decorator and so may have James Platt.

He must be skilled then MarieCeleste

Have been reading this thread with interest.

Just my pennysworth - I wouldn't dismiss a house painter, my husband is a specialist painter and decorator and apart from the usual household stuff has often painted scenery for theatre and television companies. At the time of the Platts in question a scenic artist would paint backdrops in theatres and music hall but may also do house decorating to put food on the table.

1901 keep looking at his one but not showing a daughter called Alice

28, Tregothnan Road, Lambeth, London,

James Platt Head Married Male 43 1858 Hand Painter & Decorator Lambeth, Surrey, England
Alice Platt Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Brighton, Sussex, England
Ida Platt Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Leonard Platt Son Single Male 9 1892 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Albert Platt Son Single Male 3 1898 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Lawrence Platt Son Single Male 0 1901 - Lambeth, Surrey, England



Ancestry cross ref to this marriage but no idea what the occupation is
Name: James Thomas Platt
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Age: 27
Spouse: Alice Sophia Sweet
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jun 1884
Parish: St Philip, Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Charles Platt
Spouse Father: Thomas John Sweet


That 1901 family are on 1911 census in Walthamstow and still shown as house painter

Think some of this family went to America so for the time being ruling this one out

Did Alice die in the workhouse?

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
Name: Alice Platt
Birth Date: 1866
Admission Age: 50
Admission Date: 3 Feb 1916
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Southwark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark
Place: London, England
Title: Newington Workhouse, Westmoreland Road Register, 1916

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
Name: Alice Platt
Discharge Date: 16 Feb 1916
Discharge Age: 49
Record Type: Discharge (dead)
Borough: Southwark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark
Title: Newington Workhouse, Westmoreland Road Register, 1916

Have to go to work in a bit, but will look again later.

Just looked at your original post-
Was it James Platt that registered the death of Alice Platt?

You've said that James was living at 25 Dante Road- was this also where Alice died?

What address did Alice Maud give on her wedding certificate?

Good point Margee!! I am tired, so am very grateful for the correction :-D

But the witness is a connection of sorts- there are several families at 25 Dante Road, listed as seperate households, but I want to look more at these people in particular, who are also music hall artists (from 1911 census):

1911: 25 Dante Road, Newington Butts SE
Alice Tyler Head 1865 46 Female Married 29 MUSIC HALL ARTIST KENTISH, Kent, England
May Tyler Daughter 1891 20 Female Single MUSIC HALL ARTIST Manchester, Chester, England SE

married 29 years- 2 children- 2 still living (although this is crossed out and then put in again next to daughter, May)
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Alice Tyler is on Electoral register here until 1915, but not there after the war in 1921. Seems quite a coincidence that this Alice is a similar age to Alice Platt and that Alice Platt died at this address in 1916!

I don't think the music professor is the right family. I posted that when I was under the assumption that she was born 1886. (Rootgatherer led me astray)

Now that we know she was born 1895 that can't be her.

I'm wondering if the professor of music one is correct- i need to look into this further when I'm not as tired, but I'm putting this up now to refresh my memory in the morning :-)

This is the witness on Alice Maud's marriage- living at 23 DANTE ROAD in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23 Dante Road S E, St Mary Newington, London, England

Mary Grocock Head Widow Female 71 1840 Peterborough Northamtonshire Private Means
Annie Grocock Daughter Single Female 45 1866 London Lambeth Private Means
Mabel Florence Solomon Boarder Widow Female 25 1886 Camberwell Lady Hair Dresser
Elsie Esther Solomon Boarder - Female 1 1910 London Camberwell -
Harold Bert Connock Boarder Single Male 31 1880 London Hammersmith Music Hall Artist

Don't think the Walsall one is correct- this looks to be her in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
48 Newland St Walsall, Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Harry Platt Head Married Male 45 1866 Staffs Walsall Hard Solder Silver Plater Of Spiers
Mary Ann Platt Wife Married Female 42 1869 Staffs Wolverhampton -
Alice Maud Platt Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Staffs Walsall Tailoress Machnist
Alfred Edward Platt Son - Male 13 1898 Staffs Walsall School And Grocers Errand Boy
Henry Edmund Platt Son - Male 8 1903 Staffs Walsall School
Elizabeth Platt Daughter - Female 4 1907 Staffs Walsall

I'll try and take another look at this tomorrow- I'm curious to know how you linked the death of Alice and the marriage of Alice Maud- is there other information that you know about this family?

Hi Margee.

Thats my Tree! lol

I agree a scenic artist is a long way from house painter but at the moment its the only albeit remotest connnection to ANYONE.

The Walsall Alice Maud is the only one in the likely date range so I am going to have to bite the bullet and buy the cert and hope her father is a scenic painter!!!

Gerry, a scenic artist is a lot different from a house painter.

Possible?

Births Sep 1894 (>99%)
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Platt Alice Maud Walsall 6b 700

A tree on Ancestry says that the Alice Maud Platt who married Arnold Thomas Bartlett was born 1895.

Hi all. Thanks for your interest. As you can see I have nothing that I can make a defffo connection to. House painter is probe the nearest I have but its pretty tenuous.

The daughter Alice Maud was born about 1895, her age being 25 when she married.

The witnesses were Florence Anne Harman and H B Connock

So Alice Maud married in Surrey

Alice M Platt
Spouse Surname: Bartlett
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 250

I thought that maybe you were Margee but I don't want to mislead anyone.

I think we need Gerry to come back and give us a few more details about the family.

It would help if we knew when and where Alice Maud was born. Also, as Gritty has asked, the witnesses at her marriage.

Who were the witnesses on his daughter's marriage certificate?

Name: Alice Maud Platt
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 02 Sep 1886
Event Place: St Mary, Hulme, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: James Platt
Mother's Name: Alice Platt

GS Film number: 2357340 , Digital Folder Number: 004497814 , Image Number: 00829

He's a professor of music here so I guess I've got the wrong man:

James Platt

in the 1901 England Census
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Name: James Platt
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Alice Ann Platt
Birth Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3811
Folio: 77
Page Number: 8
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
James Platt 41
Alice Ann Platt 35
Alice Platt 14
Frank Platt 13
Joseph Lester 55