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Hi,everyone,I am sorry I mislead you parents were Thomas and Sarah Young,I quoted the wrong generation ,too many Thomases in the family cheers Graham

OK, so baptism Catherine put up for Richard is correct (so not sure where the Newman name came from?):

Sussex Advertiser - Tuesday 07 March 1848
YOUNG- DENMAN March 2nd at Lindfield by the Rev. F H Sewell, Mr Richard Smith Young, eldest son of Mr Thomas Young of Brighton to Sarah Denman, eldest daughter of the late Mr Martin Denman of Grove Cottage, Lindfield.

Graham- can you just confirm the information you've given us:

Thomas George Young, born 1827 Brighton. His parents were Thomas Footner Young and Mary Smith, and he had a brother born 1823, called Richard Newman Young, who married Sarah Denman??

Think I may have been looking at wrong family :-S

Brother Richard's mother is also noted as Sarah

Name: Richard Smith Young
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 27 Jun 1824
Christening Place: BRIGHTON, SUSSEX, ENGLAND
Father's Name: Thomas Young
Mother's Name: Sarah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01839-7 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1067107 , Reference ID: item 3 p 151

Also bear in mind that death certs are not a reliable source of info...only as good as the informant's knowledge.

Graham, if Thomas' parents were Thomas and Mary then why did you state earlier:-

"...............there is a Thomas George young d.1896 Parramatta with the right parents names Thomas and Sarah reg.no.3587,but who knows?"

So this isn't his baptism?


Name: Thomas George Young
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 15 Apr 1827
Baptism Place: St. Nicholas', Brighton, Sussex, England
Father: Thomas Young
Mother: Sarah Young
FHL Film Number: 1468819
Reference ID: item 2 p 218

Sorry everyone,Thomas George young ,s parents were Thomas Footner Young and Mary (smith) Young it was his brother Richard b.1823 Bighton sussex who was married to a Sarah Denman regards Graham

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def2-1598-18510818&div=t18510818-1598#highlight

Chris :)

Hm that makes the 1896 death in NSW with the correct parents names look promising!

Might be worth taking a punt and getting a transcription?

NSW has excellent transcription services. A full transcript from Joy Murrin is A$20.
http://www.joymurrin.com.au/shop/nsw-transcription/

or not :D

New South Wales, Australia, Hospital & Asylum Records, 1840-1913
Name: Thomas G. Young
Birth Year: abt 1827
Country: England
Admission or Discharge Date: 28 Dec 1875
Admission or Discharge Place: Liverpool, New South Wales, Australia
Age: 48
Asylum: Liverpool Asylum for the Infirm and Destitute

Perhaps he returned?

Victoria outward passenger lists 1852-1915 Transcription

First name(s) Thos Geo
Last name Young
Age 47
Birth year 1825
Departure year 1872
Departure month Mar
Destination Liverpool, United Kingdom
Ship name Great Britain
Ship's master Gray John
State Victoria
Record set Victoria outward passenger lists 1852-1915
Collections from Australasia

Some papers of the time have William Muzzall as William Murrell/all. He married an Ellen Voller in 1849 having previously been married to her sister, Caroline.


But he is Muzzall on his MC.

Name: Ellen Voller
Spouse: William Muzzall, widower
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Aug 1849
Parish: St Botolph, Aldgate
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Thomas Voller
Spouse Father: William Muzzall
Register Type: Parish Register




1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Arthur Street, Gravesend, Gravesend & Milton, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Muzzall Head Married Male 24 1827 Solicitors Managing Clerk Brighton, Sussex, England
Transcription
Ellen Muzzall Wife Married Female 25 1826 - Oving, Sussex, England
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Edward R S Muzzall Son Unmarried Male 4 1847 Scholar Southsea, Hampshire, England

William Muzzall
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name: William Muzzall
Age: 24
Gender: M
Birthplace: Brighton, Sussex
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Schedule Type: Household

cant see him in any other census so it could be he was sent away

You can also search for convicts on this site:-

http://www.convictrecords.com.au/

Thomas came up no problem, but there is no sign of William Muzzall, he's a real mystery? Maybe he died before leaving?

Graham - click on the blue sentence in Cherilyn's post - it a a hyperlink and will take you to the site she found the description.

Cherilyn (and Valerie) are Australian GR members and know their way around on-line Australian resources

Thanks everybody ,Thomas was born in Brighton sussex in 1827 ,father Thomas Footner Young,brother Richard Newman young b.1823,thank you for his description ,where did you find that kind regards Graham

See http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/con-wa7.html

He was a 26 year old clerk, single, 5 foot 4 and 3/4, brown hair and hazel eyes, oval face, fresh complexion and stout build. No scars or tattoos.

Perhaps he didn't stay in WA? No marriage or death that is a good match for him.

This site may be of interest to you.

You can "Claim A Convict"

I have checked and Thomas George Young is listed.

Details for the convict Thomas George Young (1853)

Convict Name: Thomas George Young
Trial Place: Central Criminal Court
Trial Date: 18 August 1851
Sentence: 10 years
Notes:

Arrival Details
Ship: Dudbrook
Arrival Year: 1853

http://www.hawkesbury.net.au/claimaconvict/


Details for the ship Dudbrook (1853)

Ship Name: Dudbrook
Rig Type: Bk.
Built: Dundee
Build Year: 1848
Size (tons): 601


Voyage Details

Master: John Innes
Surgeon: Charles W. Keveru
Sailed: 22 November 1852
From: Plymouth
Arrived: 7 February 1853
Port: WA
Route:
Days Travel: 77
Convicts Landed: 228 males & 0 female convicts
Notes:

It may help to know where and when these people were born?

To Mike,tyes Thomas is my tree,but as I say,where did he disappear to after his certificate of release dated 1856?.I can not even find Muzzall after his trial,,there is a Thomas George young d.1896 Parramatta with the right parents names Thomas and Sarah reg.no.3587,but who knows? -----hi! Valerie ,yes that is also correct,it was written down wrong ,kind regards graham