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Can anyone help with Canadian records?

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Julie

Julie Report 7 Apr 2015 17:44

I believe my ancestor William Peatman born 1840 in Lincoln, England went to Canada as a boy. His uncle, also William Peatman, born 1812, was already in Canada. William the younger was in England in 1851, but I believe he may have left for Canada in the 1850's. Others searching for William the elder seem to have tracked him to Quebec, so I would suspect that William the younger might be found there as well.
I have no experience of Canadian records, so don't know where to start. Any information or advice would be welcomed.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Apr 2015 18:07

Is this the uncle in 1861? Name is Peatman on original.

Wm. Fealmon

in the 1861 Census of Canada
Record Image View

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Name: Wm. Fealmon
[Wm. Peatman]
Gender: Male
Age: 49
Birth Year: 1812
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Married
Home in 1861: Montréal, Canada East
Religion: Wesleyan Methodist
Film Number: C-1247
Page Number: 200
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm. Fealmon 49

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 7 Apr 2015 18:15

Julie, this sounds familiar - do you have another thread re. the Peatmans? (Apologies if not!).
Jan

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Apr 2015 18:17

I wonder if this is the marriage of your William? Original says William Peatman married to Ann Burrell.

William William

in the Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
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Name: William
[William Peatman]
Spouse: Peatman
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Marriage Year: 1864
Marriage Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Religion: Presbyterian
Place of Worship or Institution: Presbyterian Crescent

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Apr 2015 18:20

Original says this is a son of William Peatman & Ann Burrell.

William John Peatman

in the Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
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Name: Peatman
[William John Peatman]
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Burial Year: 1873
Burial Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Religion: Methodist
Place of Worship or Institution: Methodist Sherbrooke Street

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 7 Apr 2015 18:22

related

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1348156

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Apr 2015 18:23

A second marriage of William Peatman? Original says he's a widower. Her name is Fanny Burke.


William Peatman

in the Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
Record Image View

Name: Peatman
[William Peatman]
Spouse: Burke
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Marriage Year: 1873
Marriage Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Religion: Methodist
Place of Worship or Institution: Methodist Mountain Street

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 7 Apr 2015 18:25

Margee, be sure to check out other thread, just to avoid duplication.
Jan

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Apr 2015 18:40

I did, Jan, and there doesn't seem to be any Canadian records there.

Wonder if this is him in 1891? Fanny was also born England, children all born Quebec.


William Peatman

in the 1891 Census of Canada
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Name: William Peatman
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 48
Birth Year: abt 1843
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Religion: Free Church
French Canadian: No
Spouse's Name: Fanny Peatman
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Quebec
District Number: 184
District: St Hyacinthe
Subdistrict: St Hyacinthe City
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Peatman 48
Fanny Peatman 36
Walter Peatman 15
Newman Peatman 12
Ernest Peatman 8
Maud Peatman 6


MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Apr 2015 18:47

This site has a question about William Anderson, William Peatman and Richard Vasey, Montreal.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SURNAMES/1995-11/0817800039

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Apr 2015 18:49

This site has info about his first wife Ann Burrell:

http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/burrell/990/

Julie

Julie Report 7 Apr 2015 19:50

Thanks to all for your replies, I had to come away from my computer as we had visitors turn up. The references you have provided so far look promising. They do at least add some substance to the initial suggestion that William junior went to Quebec.

mgnv

mgnv Report 8 Apr 2015 02:28

The Quebec/Canadian censuses pre-1921 are free here:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx
but you only get images, not transcriptions.

The Montreal city directory is free online, but it only goes back to 1842
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx

Julie

Julie Report 9 Apr 2015 20:13

mgnv - many thanks, I picked up some useful info from the city directories. William the younger appears to have moved to St Hyacinthe in the late 18th century, as indicated above on the 1891 census, so I lose him from the directories. I am struggling to track both Williams on the various census data, have found William the younger in 1901 & William the older in 1881 in addition to the data unearthed above, but as I had a trip to the Lincolnshire Archives yesterday I haven't done a detailed search yet.

mgnv

mgnv Report 10 Apr 2015 09:45

Late 19th cent !!!

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: QU SAINT-HYACINTHE (#190)
Subdistrict: Saint-Hyacinthe (City/Cité) H-9 Page 7
31 70 Peatman William M Head M Mar 8 1841 60
32 70 Peatman Ernest M Son S Feb 8 1881 20
33 70 Peatman Maud F Daughter S Apr 24 1884 16
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z004/pdf/z000169766.pdf

Now 1901 is a bit strange - Schedule 1 & Sched 2 are both online, but sched 2 (with the house details) is not indexed.
Sched 2 (if available) usually immediately preceeds sched 1, so subtracting the page # (7 here) from the document # should get the last page of sched 2, so we can then page back (by editing URL) until we get to the page 7 (col 1) stuff - we want line 31 (col 2):
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z004/pdf/z000169757.pdf
This shows the street addy as 12 Rue St Antoine.
St-Hyacinthe is abt 60km E of Montreal.

Julie

Julie Report 11 Apr 2015 19:35

mgnv, many thanks for the additional info, I had found schedule 1, but wasn't aware that there should be a schedule 2 so wouldn't have found it without your input.

mgnv

mgnv Report 11 Apr 2015 21:39

I think Ancestry had an deal with LAC whereby Ancestry had some sort of time limited exclusivity in return for cash, and an agreement to turn over their indexes and digitizations to LAC at the end of the period. I don't KNOW any of this.

Anyway, the point is that Ancestry and LAC use the same transcriptions, so I can also use Ancestry to search for folk.

As an example, suppose Peatman had been mistranscribed in 1891 (it wasn't).
I could search for Maud d/o William (with no surnames) residing in Quebec at:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1274

There's 62 hits including:
Name Parent or spouse names Home in 1891 (Sub-District, District, Province) Birth Year Birthplace Relation View Images
Maud Peatman William,Fanny township, St Hyacinthe, Quebec abt 1885 location info
[I don't have a suitable sub, so I can't see full details]

I can now search for this spelling (and age=6) at LAC

Another example - my dad's cousin married Susanna d/o Francis Samuel Minchinton and Susanna Russel
Her dad went by both forenames at difft times, and her mum's name isn't spelled consistently Suzanna(h) Russell are the variants.
But Ancestry lets me use wild cards so I can search for M?nch* and pick up Minchenton (1891) and Minchester (1901).
LAC lets me use a wild card, but only at the end - which would have worked here, but then her uncle was transcribed as William S Menchinton on the 1891 Jersey census, so what was I to know?

Anyway, M?nch* gets 70+-80+ Ancestry hits in 1891-1901, and it's easy to check these with 50 hits per page on Ancestry to determine ages and spellings, which I can then look up on the LAC site for the free image.

Incidentally, 1921 is also free, but only via:
http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991
[Don't let Ancestry bounce you to another of their sites]

The nominal day for the federal census was within a day of the UK date 1871-1901, and was 24/6/1906 (prairies only), then 1st June 1911-1921.

Julie

Julie Report 12 Apr 2015 15:43

mgnv, thanks for the explanation, my knowledge of Candian records & sources was non-existent, at least I know a little more now.