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Hi, anybody got any theories on this relationship please?
In 1841, John Blades b 1806 (age 35) is living at Inham's End, Whittlesey St Mary & St Andrew, Cambs. Also here is Mary b 1766 (I assume due to age gap that this is his mother?)
In 1851 census, John Blades is living at Inhams End, Whittlesey and is Head of the household. Other members are:
Mary Blades Wife Married 33 1818 Whittlesey
John Blades Son 7 1844 Whittlesey and Mary Blades Daughter 3 1848.
But also, Ann Fountain Wife Daughter Female 9 b1841 from Whittlesey.

BMD Oct-Dec 1842 shows wedding between John and Mary Fountain.
Ann Fountain was born Apr-Jun 1841 on BMD at Whittlesey.

There is a census 1841 record at Inham's End, Whittlesey St Mary & St with a Mary/Ann living together.

Would you agree that Mary Fountain had Ann (as an unmarried mother) living at home with her father James and mother Mary. And that John Blades married her a year later and that they then started a family together?

Marriages Dec 1842 (>99%)

BLADES John Whittlesea 14 247
Fountain Mary Whittlesey 14 247

Ooops, I see you already posted the marriage.

It certainly seems that way Clive.

Thank you

this is john and mary's son in 1871 census



John Blades
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name: John Blades
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: North Witchford
Sub-District: March
Parish: March
County: Cambridgeshire
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Blades Self M 27 Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire
Mary A Blades Wife F 25 March, Cambridgeshire
William Blades Son M 4 Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire
Thomas Blades Son M 3 March, Cambridgeshire

Name: John Blades
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1842
Registration District: Whittlesey
County: Cambridgeshire
Event Place: Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Volume: 14
Page: 247
Line Number: 120


John Blades probably married one of the following people
Name: Mary Fountain

Name: John Thomas Blades
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 May 1871
Christening Place: Primitive Methodist, Ely, Cambridge, England
Father's Name: John Blades
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Blades

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02027-1 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 994018 , Reference ID: item 6

and 1881 census


John Blades
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name: John Blades
Age (Original): 37
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1844
Birthplace: Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Foreman Farm (Bailiff)
Address: Whittlesea Road
Event Place: March, Cambridgeshire, England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 1690 / 76
Page Number: 4
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Blades Head M 37 Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire, England
Mary Ann Blades Wife F 35 March, Cambridgeshire, England
William Blades Son M 14 Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire, England
Tom Blades Son M 12 March, Cambridgeshire, England
Alice Blades Daughter F 9 March, Cambridgeshire, England
John Blades Son M 6 March, Cambridgeshire, England
Martha Blades Daughter F 4 Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire, England
Cassey Blades Daughter F 3 Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire, England
Ada Blades Daughter F 0 March, Cambridgeshire, England
James Gilbert Lodger Head M 20 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England

Name: Eliza Blades
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 14
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Whittlesey
Sub-District: Whittlesey
Parish: Whittlesey
County: Cambridgeshire

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Blades Head M 69 Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire
Mary Blades Wife F 54 Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire
Eliza Blades Daughter F 14 Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire
Emma Blades Daughter F 9 Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire

Name: John Blades
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: North Witchford
Sub-District: March
Parish: March
County: Cambridgeshire

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Blades Self M 27 Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire
Mary A Blades Wife F 25 March, Cambridgeshire
William Blades Son M 4 Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire
Thomas Blades Son M 3 March, Cambridgeshire

Name: Thos Blades
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 17
Relationship to Head of Household: Servant
Birthplace: Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Whittlesey
Sub-District: Whittlesey
Parish: Whittlesey
County: Cambridgeshire

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John T Vergetto Head M 43 Marholm, Northamptonshire
Jane Vergetto Sister F 30 Marholm, Northamptonshire
Hester Vergetto Niece F 9 Marholm, Northamptonshire
Alice Vergetto Niece F 7 Marholm, Northamptonshire
Elizabeth Goodliff Servant F 28 Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire
Elenor Waite Servant F 18 Ramsey, Huntingdonshire
Thos Blades Servant M 17 Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire

She seems to have married using both names:

Marriages Sep 1863
Allen Jonas Whittlesey 3b 880 <<<<<
BLADES Ann Fountain Whittlesey 3b 880 <<<<<<
LANCASTER Abraham Whittlesey 3b 880
RANDAL Elizabeth Whittlesey 3b 880

Wonder what she put for father's details?

Going by census 1881, she married Jonas Allen, who was with his vessel in 1871.


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Bodgers Yard, Peterborough St John the Baptist, Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England


Jonas Allen Head Married Male 40 1841 Waterman Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England<<<
Ann Allen Wife Married Female 40 1841 Waterman Wife Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England<<<
William Allen Son Single Male 15 1866 General Labourer Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Mary Elizth Allen Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Ann Allen Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Emma Allen Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Eliza Allen Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Tom Allen Son Single Male 0 1881 - Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England

Census 1871:

Image says Ann was born Whillesea, and is a waterman's wife
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Bridge Street Jaunceys Yard, St John, Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England

Ann Allen Wife - Female 29 1842 - Cambridgeshire, England
Alice Allen Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Cambridgeshire, England
William Allen Son - Male 5 1866 - Cambridgeshire, England
Mary Elizabeth Allen Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Northamptonshire, England

Jonas aboard the May Flower:

Census 1871:

Name: Jonas Allen
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Married
Gender: Male
Where born: Whittlesea, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: River Nene Wisbech
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wisbech
Sub-registration district: Wisbech
ED, institution, or vessel: May Flower

when did his mother Mary die?


sometimes waiting for a parent to die was a reason to wait to get married.


But also, having a child before marrying was not badly thought of in those days ............ and was at least as common as today.

Having a child showed that the woman was fecund, and there would almost certainly be more children born after the marriage to help look after the older generation when the time came.


However, I do not think you can assume that the child Ann is the daughter of John Blades. She might however have begun to use his surname as she grew up.

From Cambridgeshire Baptism Index cd, a Baptism entry, Ann Fountain 1841 Whittlesey St. Mary. You would need to see Parish Record for details.


Also, from Cambridgeshire Burial Index cd, a Burial entry, Mary Blades 1842 Whittlesey St. Mary. 77

Chris :)

https://www.cfhs.org.uk/searchbs.cfm

(if you have a lot from there, and felt it worth it!, Parish cd available to buy)



Cambridgeshire Baptisms 1801-1837

BLADE John Age (if recorded) -
Year 1801 Relationship of Wm. & Mary
Place Whittlesey

(if relating, from below link)

https://www.cfhs.org.uk/searchsd.cfm

Chris :)


edits (below query from google search)

I have a copy of the Certificate for a marriage on 3 Oct 1842
when John BLADES married Mary FOUNTAIN at Whittlesey St.Mary
in which John is described as a Widower.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENGLISH-FENS/2000-01/0948873536

Many thanks everybody. It seems that you have confirmed my thoughts.

Chris Ho. That Google search is interesting. Thank you.

(if relating, although Sarah Death age, not sure!)

Boyd's Marriage Index 1538-1840 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) John
Last name Blades
Marriage year 1830
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's full first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name SEARLE
Supplied first name(s) John
Supplied last name BLADES, BLAYDES
Place WHITTLESEY ST MARY


From Cambridgeshire Burial Index cd, a Sarah Blades entry 1838, Whittlesey St. Mary. 49


Deaths Dec 1838 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------
Blades Sarah Whittlesea 14 81

Chris :)

Eliza Blades was my Great Grandmother. She was born in Whittlesey in 1857 to parents John and Mary, nee Fountain.
John Thomas (my Great Uncle) was Eliza’s first child, born on 28th February 1877 in the Workhouse, Whittlesey, (no father named). Eliza moved to Peterborough and lived for a time at the Waggon and Horses pub as a servant, leaving John at home with her mother. (1881 Census for Peterborough and Whittlsey confirm)
She married Samuel Whittington, also of Whittlesey but living in Peterborough, on 4th December 1881. She described herself as ‘spinster’. At the time he was working on the Railway as a Labourer. He died 3 months later of gangrene, presumably as a result of an accident.
In 1890 (24th March) she had Olive. There was no father named on the BC. In the 1891 census, Eliza, Olive and John were living in Hills Yard, Peterborough. Eliza uses the surname Whittingon, but Samuel couldn’t be Olive’s father, having died some 9 years before.
Eliza married again, this time to William Pratt, a widower, on 28th September 1895. They are on the 1901 census living in Roger Street Peterborough (now Clarence Road). Her son John is by now married to Emma and living in Bodgers Yard. I found Olive living with relatives in Leicestershire.
Eliza had been a constant source of mystery to me for years. she was born a Blades, her daughter, my Grandmother, was born a Blades - on her MC she names her father as William Blades. Yet so far I've have no proof of a father anywhere!