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Charles Cox c1867/8 Clerkenwell puzzle!

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Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Mar 2015 12:13

This is for Wendy who was asking for info on George Cox the other day.

She had the wrong father and has asked me to help.

This is what we know:-

George Cox 1885 Clerkenwell married Florence Hall 1906 and had two children George 1907 and Florence 1909.

Name: George Cox
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Clerkenwell, London, England
Civil Parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 83 Winchester Road, Edmonton N
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Warehouse Porter
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 7371
Household Members:
Name Age
George Cox 26
Florence Cox 24
George Cox 4
Florence Cox 2

Florence senior died in 1911 and George married Rose Landon in 1912.

On both marriage certs (seen online) his father is down as Charles Cox a Glass Silverer and on the second marriage Charles is down as deceased.

I looked up Georges millitary papers and this confirms this and that his mother was Emily.

I can find no marriage for this couple that really fits but there is a 2 census with them on it and also a nephew on one who is a George Welson which could be Wilson of about the right age.

1891
Name: Charles Cox
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Cox
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: ****GLASS CUTTER

Registration district: Holborn
Sub registration district: St James Clerkenwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 223
Folio: 58
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Cox 22
Emily Cox 22



1901

Name: Charles M Cox
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Emily M Cox
Birth Place: Clerkenwell
Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Old Street
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: GLASS SILVERER

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 259
Folio: 24
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles M Cox 34
Emily M Cox 33
George E Welson 15 1886 b London City NEPHEW.

Hoping some of you can throw some light on this please as I know you like a good chase.

Mel






Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 31 Mar 2015 12:15

Is the original thread still on the board?

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 31 Mar 2015 12:20

No sign of George Cox on either of those census but I'm wondering if he could be George E Welson

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Mar 2015 12:28

No it seems Wendy deleted it.

Claire thats what I noticed but am wondering if the nephew is in fact George who has taken the name of Cox?? as he is about the same age.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Mar 2015 12:30

Can't find a marriage for Charles Cox to Emily either. Thought we had as on the 1901 census they both have an initial M for a second name but that was in 1893 and the occupation dos'nt fit.

Choccy

Choccy Report 31 Mar 2015 12:36

??

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name: Charles Mason Cox

Gender: Male

Marital Status: Single

Age: 23

Birth Date: 1870

Marriage Date: 3 Apr 1893

Marriage Place: Southwark, Surrey, England

Father: Edward John Cox

Spouse: Emily Maude Garrard

FHL Film Number: 384918

Reference ID: p 7, cn 14

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Mar 2015 12:38

Yes thats the one we found Choccy.

this is Georges millitary papers.

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 Pension Records View Image
Name: George Cox
Spouse: Florence Hall
Birth: abt 1884 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Marriage: 19 May 1906 - St Phillips Clerkenwell
Residence: 1902

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Mar 2015 12:41

Just looking again at his papers and he is down as George E Cox. The George on the census is George E Welson.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Mar 2015 13:29

If this is the right marriage, and I am begining to think it is then who were the real parents of George E Welson c1886?

This is the person who is wendy's grandfather.

malyon

malyon Report 31 Mar 2015 13:57

George E Welson
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name: George E Welson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: Gloucestershire
Parish: STROUD
Ecclesiastical Parish: STROUD
Sub-District: STROUD
Registration District: STROUD
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Relationship to Head of Household: Assistant
Birthplace: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Mar 2015 15:16

Thanks Yvonne but this one was born in 1866 and the one I am looking for is born in 1885ish.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Mar 2015 18:13

Mel, Welson is actually quite clear Wilson on the image. I wonder if Wilson was a stepfather's name and that George reverted to his Mum's maiden surname when he became an adult.

Perhaps it may be necessary to work forward from the sisters of Charles Mason Cox.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Mar 2015 18:21

Thats a good idea Roots.

I was having a rest from it as I seem to be going round in circles.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Mar 2015 19:09

Well you can eliminate Mary Ann, here's her marriage

Mary Ann Cox
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Age: 21
Spouse: Walter Henry Mone
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1886
Parish: St Luke, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Edward John Cox, Cabman
Spouse Father: Joseph Mone
Register Type: Parish Register

malyon

malyon Report 31 Mar 2015 23:05

hi
this could be florence cox born 1909

Florence Winifred Cox
England and Wales, Birth Registration Index
Name: Florence Winifred Cox
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1909
Registration District: Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Event Place: Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Volume: 3A
Page: 567
Line Number: 126

malyon

malyon Report 31 Mar 2015 23:12

might be the son

George Edward Cox
England and Wales, Birth Registration Index
Name: George Edward Cox
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1907
Registration District: Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Event Place: Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Volume: 3A
Page: 579
Line Number: 116

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 1 Apr 2015 10:13

Thank you Yvonne and yes we have those.

The more I think about it if Charles and Emily brought up George E Wilson/Welson I guess we will never know who his real parents were.

Thanks all for your help.

Mel