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Please can someone see if they can find this family on the 1861 census
William Barron Kendell
Elizabeth ann - daugh ? 1867 born in Thorne Lincolnshire/Yorkshire border
Rose - b 1866 reg in Glanford Brigg daughter

They may be going by the name Barron or Kendell.
Rose married John Grey in 1885. they were living in south Killingholme, Lincolnshire

Elizabeth Ann married Matthew John Dawson in 1870 reg in Glanford Brigg.

Thanks for your help

If Elizabeth was born 1867 and Rose 1866.......they wont appear on the 1861 census.

Where and when was William Barron Kendell born?

Sorry I don't know when and where he was born. I guess it was in Lincolnshire somewhere.

I have just found this on freeBMD

Rose Kendell bap 24 Jan 1866 Killingholme, mother Elizabeth Barron Living at South Killingholme was a Spinster.

William thomas Barron b26 Jan 1864mother Elizabeth Barron South Killingholme and he was illegitamate.

So it sounds as if she a couple of children out of marriage.
Sorry if I have caused any confussion by putting these childrens names on here. I was just giving you all the information I had on this family.

thanks for helping me PricklyHolly. It seems that perhaps this census wont help me.

Sorry

Jane

Jane, I think we just misunderstood the first post- Do you have Elizabeth and Rose on the 1871 census?

If Elizabeth was born 1867 who got married in 1870?

Is William Barron Kendall their brother or father?

No worries..........I just wanted to point out about the 1861 census. :-)

Prickles.

Gritty

No I don't have them as a family on any census.

I got the name William Kendell off the marriage cert.
Matthew John Dawson was a witness to their marriage and I guessed at Elizabeth Ann Dawson being a sister of Rose.

I looked them up and found a marriage for a Elizabeth Ann Barron and a Matthew Dawson in 1870.

That Elizabeth Ann must be wrong as she couldn't have got married in 1870.Silly me.

Thanks so much for helping me

Jane

Looks like she was Rose Kendall Barron:

Births Mar 1866 (>99%)
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Barron Rose K Glanford B. 7a 655

Glanford B. registration district covers N. Killingholme.

Marriages Mar 1885 (>99%)
Grey John Glanford B. 7a 892
Kendall Rose Barran Glanford B. 7a 892

Is this Rose on the 1911 census........

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Greengate Farm Barton on Humber, Barton upon Humber, Lincolnshire, England


Household Members

Relationship to household head
John Grey Head Married Male 49 1862 Roxby Lincs Farm Bailiff
Rose Grey Wife Married Female 46 1865 South Killingholme Lincs -
Herbert Grey Son Single Male 22 1889 Ulceby Lincs Saddler
Elise Grey Daughter Single Female 17 1894 South Killingholme Lincs Domestic
Mary Grey Daughter - Female 14 1897 Ulceby Lincs -
James Grey Son - Male 9 1902 Barton on Humber Lincs School
Ralph Grey Son - Male 8 1903 Barton on Humber Lincs School
Edith Grey Daughter - Female 6 1905 Barton on Humber Lincs School
Charles Bushby Servant Single Male 27 1884 Waltham Lincs Waggoner On Farm
Frank Grey Servant Single Male 19 1892 Thornton Lincs Waggoner On Farm

If so........I am wondering about this.....

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Rose K Barron in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name:Rose K Barron
Registration Year:1866
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Glanford Brigg
Inferred County:Lincolnshire
Volume:7a
Page:655


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Walmer House, South Killingholme, Glanford Brigg, Lincolnshire, England

Charles Barron Head - Male 68 1803 - Lincolnshire, England
Jemima Barron Wife - Female 54 1817 - Lincolnshire, England
Charles Barron Son - Male 14 1857 - Lincolnshire, England
Rose R Barron Granddaughter - Female 5 1866 - Lincolnshire, England
John Staples Lodger - Male 27 1844 - Wiltshire, England

(The middle initial "R" looks like a "K" on the image.


Rose is a Servant with the Sharpe family in 1881.

1881 just for info

Name: Rose K. Barron
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Sth Killingholme, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: North and South Killingholme
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: Village
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Kitchenmaid
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3289
Folio: 59
Page Number: 24

1851 to show Elizabeth but not yet found her in 1861

Name: Charles Barron
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Syminsh Barron
Gender: Male
Where born: Killingholme, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: South Killingholme
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 2118
Folio: 73
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Barron 49
Syminsh Barron 35
Elizabeth Barron 6 Killingholme, Lincolnshire,
Robert Barron 3
John Abbram 60

Could this be Elizabeth Ann?

Births Mar 1869 (>99%)
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Barron Elizabeth Ann Glanford B. 7a 687

Thanks PricklyHolly

The marriage is correct and the 1911 census are my family. I haven't sent for the birth cert for Rose. My family is the Gray/Greys. but that looks correct. The 1871 could be correct.

I have just gone through the parish records on Lincstothepast and I cannot find anyone by the name of Kendell on there. I did find Charles and Jemima Barron mentioned in several places in the Baptism records so the 1871 could be correct. Best I go back and see if they had a daughter called Elizabeth.

It looks likely that Rose's mother Elizabeth did not marry. So is William Kendell a made up name or perhaps he came from another village.

Thanks again

Jane

She becomes Elizabeth Ann Dawson on the 71 census. The mother Elizabeth Barron was the one who married Matthew Dawson in 1870.

Elizabeth A Dawson

in the 1871 England Census
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Name: Elizabeth A Dawson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: Matthew J Dawson
Mother's name: Elizabeth Dawson
Gender: Female
Where born: Killingholme, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: South Killingholme
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 3435
Folio: 52
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew J Dawson 29
Elizabeth Dawson 26
Elizabeth A Dawson 2
Joseph R Dawson 7 Months

Looking at the 1871 census........

Matthew J Dawson in the 1871 England Census

Name:Matthew J Dawson
Age:29
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1842
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Elizabeth Dawson
Gender:Male
Where born:Killingholme, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish:South Killingholme
County/Island:Lincolnshire
Country:England
Registration district:Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district:Barton

Matthew J Dawson 29
Elizabeth Dawson 26 (Born 1845)
Elizabeth A Dawson 2
Joseph R Dawson 7 Months

The daughter Elizabeth was born before the marriage as posted....in 1869

And mother Elizabeth is also Rose's Mother.

On the 1851 census......Charles and Jemima have a daughter Elizabeth born 1845


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
South Killingholme, Glanford Brigg, Lincolnshire, England

Charles Barron Head Married Male 49 1802 Farmers Labour Lincolnshire, England
Jymimh Barron Wife Married Female 35 1816 Labours Wife East Halton, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Barron Daughter - Female 6 1845 Home Lincolnshire, England **********
Robert Barron Son - Male 3 1848 Home Lincolnshire, England
John Abhram Lodger Unmarried Male 60 1791 Farm Labourer Barnetby Le Wold, Lincolnshire, England

I wonder ???

Baptism:

County Lincolnshire
Place East Halton
Church St Peter
RegisterNumber 493
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 13 Oct 1844
Forename Elizabeth
Sex F
FatherForename Charles
MotherForename Jemima
FatherSurname BERRE
MotherSurname
Abode East Halton
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 11303

1861 census:



Piece: RG9/2402 Place: Barton -Lincolnshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: South Killingholme Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 53 Page: 11 Schedule: 56
Address: Queen Street

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CAMM John Head M M 36 Butcher Lincolnshire - Barrow
CAMM Mary Wife M F 27 Butchers Wife Lincolnshire - Ulceby
CAMM Fred Son - M 3 Scholar Lincolnshire - Killingholme
BARRON Elizabeth Servnt U F 16 House Servant Lincolnshire - East Halton<<<<<<<<<<
WEST William Servnt U M 40 Groom Lincolnshire - Thornton



EAST HALTON is approx 5 miles from Goxhill where Jemima Barron is recorded as being born

I don't know what to think.

There are no Elizabeth Barrons born in South killingholme between 1840 and 1866.

I found the 4 children for Charles and jemima Barron but they did not have any child by the name of Elizabeth. So where are these people hiding.

I must give up for now and I will have another look into this later.

Thank you so much for all your help

Jane

Just seen your post PH and see that Jemima is recorded as being born East Halton in 1851

From the info you have all just given me it does look likely that Charles and Jamima are Roses Grandparents. I could not find Elizabeth on the parish records. I must be going blind.

I don't know whether this is just a coincidence or not but the Grays do have links with the Camm family. Having just checked they are two different family's

Thank you all very much for helping me.

Jane

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England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

CHARLES
Last name BARRON
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year1844
Spouse JEMIMA LACEBY,
District GLANFORD BRIGG
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Volume 14
Page 611