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I've pm'd Eileen the original marriage cert for Edward's first marriage in 1867 to Ann Meredith.

His second marriage appears to be to Ann's illegitimate daughter, Nance Meredith in 1879.

Mary Ann was NOT Edward's first wife

Hope this helps

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Hi GinsI see what you mean by strange marriege.
previous information by a family member had Edward Amies B 1840
Parents Jeremiah Amies mother Elizabeth Morris. Edward married Mary Anne Richards 1866, she was B. in Darliston 1840. Children Benjamin 1867 Samuel 1869,Mariah 1870, Ruth 1873 David1875, D 1876,death
of Mother say's Ann Amies1877 Birth and Death for both recently obtained from Genes Reunited Eileen.


I've told Eileen to post on here so that we can all help

There is NO marriage for Mary A Richards to Edward, someone has mucked up their tree at Ancestry!

Eileen, my next move would be to buy the marriage certificates, that might help you

Thanks greyghost- I'm glad someone's paying attention! Not sure how I managed to do that!!

Yes 1867 entry is correct :D

Stumped me!

Is it possible they married under a registrar in 1866 and had a church wedding in 1867?

Confused - if Edward Amies married Ann Meredith on 21 January 1867 from England marriages on FMP- see Gritty's post above, backed up by an image of the certificate from Staffordshire marriages also on FMP

marriage at St Mark's Wolverhampton, both Fathers deceased, witnesses Jeremiah Porter(Signed) and Edith Hicklin (her mark)

why
would that show on freebmd in June Quarter 1866 as also posted above?

Could it be this one - also with Edwards surname incorrect (but as taken from the original scan used for transcription)?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%)
Amers Edward Wolverhampton 6b 641 Scan available - click to view
Amus Edward Wolverhampton 6b 641 Scan available - click to view
Gallin Lucy Wolverhampton 6b 641 Scan available - click to view
HILL Joseph Wolverhampton 6b 641 Scan available - click to view
Meredith Ann Wolverhampton 6b 641

There doesn't appear to be an equivalent marriage with Edwards surname spelt correctly on GRO listings, only the England and Staffordshire marriage lists

Mary was Edwards sister not his first wife



Name:Mary Amies

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:3 Jul 1836

Baptism Place:Stokesay, Shropshire, England

Father:
Jeremiah Amies

Mother:
Elizabeth Amies

FHL Film Number:
1702206

Reference ID:item 19 p 52

Hello Eileen- yes, Nance Meredith was Edward Amies second wife-

but his first wife was Ann Meredith (which we suspect to be Nance's mother).

This is Edward Amies first marriage:

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (FMP)

Marriage date: 21 Jan 1867
Marriage place Wolverhampton, Stafford, England

name: Ann Meredith Age 26
Father: John Meredith
Spouse name: Edward Amies (Carpenter of Compton Road)
Spouse's father: Jeremiah Amies
Residence: Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Place: Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire
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This is the listing on FreeBMD (transcribed as Amos):

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
AMOS Edward Wolverhampton 6b 764
Meredith Ann Wolverhampton 6b 764

EDIT: This one is wrong year- see Greyghost's message below for correct entry.

Dear Gins,
Thank you for info, all looks a bit confusingDid you get this from Ancestry.com, I only use Genes Reunited I can't afford Ancestry..
Regards Eileen

Nance Meredith, was Edward Amies second WIFE his first Wife died 1877 mother to
Benjamin, Samuel, Mariah, Ruth, David, B1875 D 1876. First Wife Mary Ann Richards M. 1840 Darliston England.
Eileen

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Dear Gins ..,

Please would you give me access to view your tree?

Best Regards,

Eileen

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Hi

Please post on this thread Eileen


So, Nance has not been found in 1861?

DEATHS

Name: Jessie Amies
Death Date: 1914
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's name: Edward
Mother's name: Nance
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Place: Moss Vale, New South Wales
Registration Number: 1531


Name: Elsie V M Amies
Death Date: 1929
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's name: Edward
Mother's name: Nance
Registration Year: 1929
Registration Place: Bankstown, New South Wales
Registration Number: 16155
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Name: William Amies
Death Date: 1942
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's name: Edward
Mother's name: Nance
Registration Year: 1942
Registration Place: Ryde, New South Wales
Registration Number: 13300
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Name: Elizabeth Amies
Birth Date: 1884
Father's name: Edward Amies
Mother's name: Nance
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Place: Canterbury, New South Wales
Registration Number: 5861



New South Wales Births Transcription
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First name(s) Edward
Last name Amies
Birth year 1887
Registration year 1887
Denomination -
Registration district Liverpool
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) Edward
Mother's first name(s) Nance
Registration number 19889



Name: Jessie Amies
Birth Date: 1888
Father's name: Edward Amies
Mother's name: Nance
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Place: Granville, New South Wales
Registration Number: 19982


Name: Ernest Amies
Birth Date: 1891
Father's name: Edward Amies
Mother's name: Nance
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Place: Liverpool, New South Wales
Registration Number: 20019



Name: Grace Amies
Birth Date: 1898
Father's name: Edward Amies
Mother's name: Nance
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Place: Smithfield, New South Wales
Registration Number: 34755
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Name: Elsie Amies
Birth Date: 1902
Father's name: Edward Amies
Mother's name: Nance
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Place: Smithfield, New South Wales
Registration Number: 16805


Name: Albert A Amies
Birth Date: 1905
Father's name: Edward Amies
Mother's name: Nance
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Place: Smithfield, New South Wales
Registration Number: 7985



Name: William Amies
Birth Date: 1890
Father's name: Edward Amies
Mother's name: Nancy
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Place: Liverpool, New South Wales
Registration Number: 19744
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New South Wales Deaths 1788-1945 Transcription
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First name(s) Edward
Last name Amies
Birth year -
Death year 1929
Registration year 1929
Age at death -
Registration district Ryde
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) Jeremiah
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Registration number 17504



New South Wales Deaths 1788-1945 Transcription
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First name(s) Nance
Last name Amies
Birth year -
Death year 1937
Registration year 1937
Age at death -
Registration district Ryde
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) John




New South Wales Will Books 1800-1952 Transcription

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First name(s) Nance
Last name Amies
Death year 1937
Death date 08 Sep 1937
Occupation Widow
Residence Epping NSW
Instrument Will
Will number 225272
Record set New South Wales Will Books 1800-1952
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Wills & probate


of Grandview Parade. She appointed William Amies of West Ryde to be Executor and Trustee. Equal shares were to be divided between Mrs C Woodlands of Stanmore, Mrs Mead of Bankstown Edward Amies of Parramatta and Ellen Amies of Epping.
Estate was sworn at £382 6s 9d nett.

Her mum on the 1861

Name: Ann Meridith
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: 1841
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlaston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Race Course

Occupation:domestic servant

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Piece: 1990
Folio: 83
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Crowe 27
Louisa Crowe 21
J Madeline Castor 16
Elizebeth Brown 44
Ann Meridith 20

Awkward!

I can't see Nance on the 1861 census?

So Clara and Maud are the children of Edward and Nance- the other children listed on the 1881 are the children of Edward and Ann.....making them Nance's half siblings! :-S

Gins!! Think you have it!!

This is the marriage of her Mum, Ann, that you put up earlier but with a note: Carpenter of Compton Road

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (FMP)
First name(s) Ann
Last name Meredith
Name note carpenter, of Compton Road
Age 26
Marriage year 1867
Marriage date 21 Jan 1867
Marriage place Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Meredith
Spouse's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's last name Amies
Spouse's father's first name(s) Jeremiah
Spouse's father's last name Amies
Residence Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Place Wolverhampton
County Staffordshire

There are baptism records for the children (listed on 1881 census above) all show Edward as the father and Ann as the mother

Do you think Nance married her step father?


1871

Name:Ann Ormies

Age:30

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1841

Relation:Wife

Spouse's Name:Edward Ormies

Gender:Female

Where born:Darlaston, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish:Wolverhampton

Ecclesiastical parish:St Mark

Town:Wolverhampton

County/Island:Staffordshire

Country:England

Registration district:Wolverhampton

Sub-registration district:Wolverhampton Western

ED, institution, or vessel:22
Household schedule number:67
Piece:2933
Folio:88
Page Number:10


Edward Ormies 30 <<Carpenter
Ann Ormies 30 <<Nance mother?
Benjamin Ormies 4
Samuel Ormies 1
Maria Ormies 5 Months


Looks like her mother died and Nance DID marry her step father



Deaths Dec 1877

Amies Ann 37 Wolverhampton 6b 348

Nance lists her father as John on her death registration but I'm thinking 'John' was her grandfather?

Her mother is Ann, no father named on Nance baptism which indicates she is born out of marriage

Then there is this, possible/strange marriage for her mother!


Name:Ann Meredith

Gender:Female

Age:26

Birth Date:1841

Marriage Date:21 Jan 1867

Marriage Place:Wolverhampton, Stafford, England

Father:John Meredith

Spouse: Edward Amies